Is no one happy?

[LianaThorne]

This thread has a very...."If you have a reason to complain, why do you still play the game?" vibe.

Has it ever crossed the minds of anyone saying that, that you can like something and also want it to get better at the same time?

I would absolutely love to see a change to housing, how blacklisting works, more games added to the Gold Saucer, more glamour options that aren't just bulky armor for tanks...I can go on for a while. I have a list of things I'd like to see changed but will it make me stop playing? Absolutely not. Because why would I stop playing over stuff like that? I can enjoy the various other aspects of the game that keep me subbed while also pushing for improvement on the areas I find lacking. It doesn't ruin my experience or make things less fun for me, nor should I be told to just play something else because I have complaints. Nothing improves if you just sit on your hands and pretend it doesn't exist.

[NekoMataMata]

This thread has a very...."If you have a reason to complain, why do you still play the game?" vibe.

Has it ever crossed the minds of anyone saying that, that you can like something and also want it to get better at the same time?

So much this. If you actually care about something then you make an effort to communicate what your issues with it are and either you attempt to improve where the faults lie, or you attempt to come to terms with it.

If people decided that they should just quit because there's no point in trying to discuss anything then literally no one would be playing.

[Schwarzwind]

So much this. If you actually care about something then you make an effort to communicate what your issues with it are and either you attempt to improve where the faults lie, or you attempt to come to terms with it.

If people decided that they should just quit because there's no point in trying to discuss anything then literally no one would be playing.

I wholeheartedly agree with that statement.

I just wish people would stop exaggerating so much and stay civilized while discussing. Since people love to point fingers, are passive aggressive and do not like to hear different opinions, I loose interest so fast that I even do no longer follow threads I was invested in. Discussions also tend to spiral around the same few arguments without any progress because of those things, which does not help the discussion either.

[HalinFluffyBuns]

Give me better high heels and actual bootyshorts or I riot with pointy stick an fireballs! I AM AN ETERNAL GALM FLAME BABY

[Elesh]

So we started an FC, and we are genuinly happy and excited to play the game.

On forums it's all doom and gloom. We are having fun. Why doesn't the ffxiv forum community reflect that.

Overall, this is a great expansion. Came back did ARR, so much better, do the rest.

It's a game, have fun. I love you all!
FF6 Sabin

As a general rule of thumb, the people who come to the forums tend to have some specific gripe. If you don't have something to complain about, you stay in game(unless you're in a place you can't play currently... but that's the exception not the rule)

So most of what you hear here is people talking about their one or two specific gripes. But the fact that people care enough to post means they MOSTLY like the game still, they're just - most of the time anyways - exaggerating their complaint to an extreme to make it sound more actionable.

[Elesh]

So most of what you hear here is people talking about their one or two specific gripes. But the fact that people care enough to post means they MOSTLY like the game still, they're just - most of the time anyways - exaggerating their complaint to an extreme to make it sound more actionable.

Just a few posts after I say this... someone comes in prove that this comment doesn't apply to EVERYONE and there are some people who just want to be miserable....

[DanielNegreanu_Adamantoise]

I think you’ll find that a lot of people who use forums are also perpetually online or use the game in question as a source of meaning instead of entertainment, something that no game can fulfill

[Dzian]

I have never seen a game forum that was positive. Games at their heights are complained about endlessly, games in the grave are picked at and mocked, it’s never a bright and happy place. I’ll never forget seeing the web of complaints that existed for WoW back in the day when it was at what most considered its peak.

In its day the Eve online forums were largely positive and very friendly.. made that infamous learning curve much much easier to deal with because of how positive and helpful the forums were..

There's also a lot of positivity here. Much of it gets overlooked though because it breaks the golden rule of feedback.

There are only 2 types of feedback.. many assume that they are positive feedback, and negative feedback, that is wrong.. the 2 types of feed back are 1, constructive feedback, and 2, worthless feedback. Positive or negative it doesn't matter.

Saying "this game is amazing" is worthless feedback. In exactly the same way saying "this game is crap" is.

It's not constructive. What exactly is amazing? And why? Just saying it's amazing is meaningless. You could be saying this game has the very best housing system you've ever seen... or that the whm is a super fun and complex job...

[Carin-Eri]

In its day the Eve online forums were largely positive and very friendly.. made that infamous learning curve much much easier to deal with because of how positive and helpful the forums were..

There's also a lot of positivity here. Much of it gets overlooked though because it breaks the golden rule of feedback.

There are only 2 types of feedback.. many assume that they are positive feedback, and negative feedback, that is wrong.. the 2 types of feed back are 1, constructive feedback, and 2, worthless feedback. Positive or negative it doesn't matter.

Saying "this game is amazing" is worthless feedback. In exactly the same way saying "this game is crap" is.

It's not constructive. What exactly is amazing? And why? Just saying it's amazing is meaningless. You could be saying this game has the very best housing system you've ever seen... or that the whm is a super fun and complex job...

I agree, with your comments pertaining to positivity, actually.

Whilst have been here (on the forums) a good four or so months at this point, not too long after I first started playing I hit a proverbial (personal) brick wall and turned to the forum for advice: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...t-the-Gameplay

The advice/support I received in that thread was invaluable - I was, admittedly, struggling with various aspects of the game and doubting whether I should even continue with it. I did, and that was - in part - thanks to the encouragement that I received here. Granted, there were a few 'get gud' type replies too, but on the whole it was positive and much appreciated.

[EaraGrace]

In its day the Eve online forums were largely positive and very friendly.. made that infamous learning curve much much easier to deal with because of how positive and helpful the forums were..

Looking at the Eve forums today I don’t see much positivity, but I’ll take your word for it that it was better back then.

There's also a lot of positivity here. Much of it gets overlooked though because it breaks the golden rule of feedback.

There are only 2 types of feedback.. many assume that they are positive feedback, and negative feedback, that is wrong.. the 2 types of feed back are 1, constructive feedback, and 2, worthless feedback. Positive or negative it doesn't matter.

Saying "this game is amazing" is worthless feedback. In exactly the same way saying "this game is crap" is.

It's not constructive. What exactly is amazing? And why? Just saying it's amazing is meaningless. You could be saying this game has the very best housing system you've ever seen... or that the whm is a super fun and complex job...

It’s clear the forum and, as I was saying before, all game forums have a problem with being slanted in specific direction. Namely a proliferation of subjective, unhelpful negative feedback. I’ll go as far as to say that applies to most of the feedback shared on the forum today. Any criticism of the criticism is then shouted down and cycle of negativity continues. None of this is constructive or helpful.

I am active within various "communities" for FFXIV as well, and see many various opinions and feedback; even on some of the most positive groups, there's admission that things have been releasing, lately, in a less-than-perfect state. Even Yoshi-P has provided a statement admitting as much.
In your flailing around to defend yourself on an online forum of EW "doomsayers," at the very least, you could keep track of what the developers are saying. Your "perspective" isn't as infallibly broad as you think it is.

And people ripped Shadowbringers. And Stormblood. And Heavensward. And ARR. The issue isn’t critique it’s proclaiming that the game is dying or is in a uniquely bad state when it isn’t. That’s the problem with “doomsaying.”