They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[torrijas]

I don't personally care either way as I'm a casual player, but what would adding an official damage meter even change? People who do high-end content already have other ways of monitoring their DPS, so they don't really need it. And if you think casuals seeing how bad they are would encourage them to become better, you're sadly mistaken. If bad casuals were interested in improving, there's nothing stopping them; there are plenty of guides out there to help one become a better player. If they cared, they would have consulted them long ago. Seeing how bad their numbers are won't change anything.

Again, I don't care either way. I'm mostly just confused, because the damage meters are already out there, and whether they're official or not won't change a thing. It seems to me that really what some people want is for casuals to be confronted with their low numbers and then feel bad about them. I'm not going to judge anyone if that's what they want, but if that's the case I wish they would just come out and say it, since I don't really think anyone is under the delusion that "a HEALER's role is to HEAL >!!!" Andy over here is magically going to become competent just because the game told him he doesn't know how to press his buttons.

[Hoodcat]

If they dont know they are doing sub par or terrible then they dont know they need to improve.

You guys are assuming they will feel bad seeing these numbers, if i saw these numbers i would wonder what i need to do better, bc i know im better than that. The biggest argument for this i see is "you will make them feel bad"
wich is stupid and your just keeping grown adults ignorant. Might as well have a police state.

Why not get rid of the sprout icon? shows newb, does it make him feel bad hes a newb? No, he dosnt know any better and it advertises to the rest of the party, hey this guys a newb. Gatekeeping knowledge from people is all your doing, there is always going to be a sperg or villian of a story. a jerk is gana be a jerk regardless of what tools they have access too or dont.

[Elesh]

Just add a personal damage meter that players can turn on in the UI. You only see your own damage. If you really want, you can export the log to submit to tracking sites so people can have their e-peening and their analysis tools.

But the game does need some supported means for players to gauge their own personal performance. Not that of anyone else. Just them.

[Semirhage]

I don't personally care either way as I'm a casual player, but what would adding an official damage meter even change? People who do high-end content already have other ways of monitoring their DPS, so they don't really need it.

Some streamer got banned for having it. Not harassing anyone with it. Just having it. 5chan is babyraging that Japan didn't get world first in Ultimate, so they're reporting ACT usage on stream like a bunch of self-righteous crusaders, and Square is bending to their war cries because it's *technically* against the TOS. Yoshi has WATCHED streams with ACT overlays up. It wasn't a problem up to this point.

And now the toxic casuals are coming out of the woodwork, crowing that ACT has "always" been against the TOS, that anyone punished for streaming it "deserves" it, and all manner of stupid babble. Taking the previous "we'll have our stat tracking over here, you have your casual no-numbers gameplay over there" silent truce and chucking it out the window, going full mask-off and showing us all what they actually think. It's not the harassment they have a problem with. It's other people using the tool at all that gets their jimmies rustled.

Toxic casuals can't mind their own beeswax, and are weaponizing the TOS. May as well make a parser official then, if they're going to be so goddamn childish about it.

[FoxyAreku]

I've seen what happens when this sort of thing is allowed. So I don't agree.

But why, if it would only show your DPS?

Because people will start demanding that you link your DPS to join a group. For veteran players like me "it doesn't matter". for new players who are just starting to learn "no group for you buddy. Play with the other rejects".

Literally has never happened in WoW in the 16+ years the game has been up.
You can get kicked if your dps is low, but you don't 'link dps to join a group'. There's not even a way to do that, especially if you haven't been in the fight before.
The former is avoided by...well, not being bad at your job.

This would also only apply to savage content. No one cares if you're bad in easy mode content, parser or not.

Just add a personal damage meter that players can turn on in the UI. You only see your own damage. If you really want, you can export the log to submit to tracking sites so people can have their e-peening and their analysis tools.

But the game does need some supported means for players to gauge their own personal performance. Not that of anyone else. Just them.

That's incorrect. Comparison is how you learn, something telling you 'you did 2k dps' isn't helpful, most people won't even know offhand if that's good or not.
Just have it not be useable in dungeons/easy content or something. The clear problem people have with it is that they're scared someone is gonna make mean comments to them, like that doesn't already happen, and they don't want to improve. Everything outside of savage/extreme/ultimate is way too easy for anyone to care about their damage there.

[LisSquid]

Just add a personal damage meter that players can turn on in the UI. You only see your own damage. If you really want, you can export the log to submit to tracking sites so people can have their e-peening and their analysis tools.

But the game does need some supported means for players to gauge their own personal performance. Not that of anyone else. Just them.

That's the whole reason you need other data to compare. You don't know your 4k dps is bad unless you know people in the same job, with similar gear, are doing 8k.

You can get kicked if your dps is low, but you don't 'link dps to join a group'. There's not even a way to do that, especially if you haven't been in the fight before.
The former is avoided by...well, not being bad at your job.

This would also only apply to savage content. No one cares if you're bad in easy mode content, parser or not.

Yeah most people do not care as long as things die as a reasonable pace, and you are doing mechanics.
On 14, JP chooses the nuclear option and just disbands the entire party if one person is slacking. I don't know about EU, but NA PF is accommodating to a fault.

[FoxyAreku]

Yeah most people do not care as long as things die as a reasonable pace, and you are doing mechanics.
On 14, JP chooses the nuclear option and just disbands the entire party if one person is slacking. I don't know about EU, but NA PF is accommodating to a fault.

I agree with you. A parser would definitely fix the need for a nuclear option too. Sucks for the person slacking sure, but maybe they shouldn't be in tough content if their dps is low to the point a clear wasn't possible in the first place?

Hate how people just don't seem to understand that this game has dps checks and if they can't meet those dps checks then they don't deserve to be carried. They can improve just like everyone else.

[Hoodcat]

thats one of the bigger points, i used 46k dps requirement for a fight currently in game. if the group is doing 42k to 38k are you going to waste 6 more hours of your life just to be nice? or are you going to be like, hey..... where can we pick up the extra dps?

you can still be nice and tell someone, they aint ready.

[Lihtleita]

would it be possible to have some version of the pvp postgame scoreboard for pve
listing dps, amount healed, damage taken, deaths etc; would be helpful after each encounter for people who are learning

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

you can still be nice and tell someone, they aint ready.

Nah, it's nicer to just kick silently and let them ruminate over what they've done.

/s