Dark Knight Megathread

[Lyth]

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Good thing this isn't the SAM subforum.

Absolutely none of the changes that you're suggesting mandate a rework. One of them isn't a job change at all - there are multiple gish jobs at this point that utilize both Weaponskills and Spells, and unifying that system against the existing stats is a Battle System change. Most of the remainder fall under the category of nice, but not really essential. Dark Mind is pretty powerful because it's on a 60s recast compared to the like of Camo and Thrill's 90s. Would you give up the recast advantage in order for the action to be more versatile? I think the answer depends on what kind of a player you are. If you're only doing dungeon content on DRK, perhaps you might look enviously at an action like Camo. If you're doing raid content as well, you might have a more balanced viewpoint on it.

From the sounds of it, you want a rework but you don't know what it's for. And that's a dangerous mindset to get into, as history has shown. As I suggested earlier, the goal right now should be looking at how expansion abilities can enrich DRK's gameplay, rather than finding ways of scuppering the job when it's finally in a half-decent place. And I think one of the most useful things to address is the fact that this job is currently very light in the GCD department.

[Runeslayer]

Good thing this isn't the SAM subforum.

Absolutely none of the changes that you're suggesting mandate a rework. One of them isn't a job change at all - there are multiple gish jobs at this point that utilize both Weaponskills and Spells, and unifying that system against the existing stats is a Battle System change. Most of the remainder fall under the category of nice, but not really essential. Dark Mind is pretty powerful because it's on a 60s recast compared to the like of Camo and Thrill's 90s. Would you give up the recast advantage in order for the action to be more versatile? I think the answer depends on what kind of a player you are. If you're only doing dungeon content on DRK, perhaps you might look enviously at an action like Camo. If you're doing raid content as well, you might have a more balanced viewpoint on it.

From the sounds of it, you want a rework but you don't know what it's for. And that's a dangerous mindset to get into, as history has shown. As I suggested earlier, the goal right now should be looking at how expansion abilities can enrich DRK's gameplay, rather than finding ways of scuppering the job when it's finally in a half-decent place. And I think one of the most useful things to address is the fact that this job is currently very light in the GCD department.

Again you're misunderstanding and misconstruing what it is I'm advocating for. Because everyone around is clamoring for a rework, you're dumping what I want into the same category. What I want is the annoyances and nitpicks of the job reigned in BEFORE we can start talking about the direction DRK should go in, tying up loose ends. Are they nice changes? Yes, that's exactly the point. On Dark mind, just because the raiding scene finds more use of it does not mean that there isn't an issue with how it interacts with the game-- that being there's still no indication that an attack does physical or magical damage; if there is, it's POORLY communicated. You need alternative methods for something the game should be telling it's players. Don't want it changed? Fine, but at least do that much so it's more consistent in how it's used in ALL content.

Nothing else I have suggested should be contentious in the slightest, in fact I would be surprised if you take issue with any of it. But by all means, brush it with a fine comb.