Dark Knight Megathread

[Vatom]

I wish that they would just redesign DRK's mitigation effects so that they were are consistently flat damage reduction bubbles across the board (i.e. Oblation and Shadow Wall) to match the animations. You don't actually need to use %DR on every job, and it's a nice flavor choice.

No Im tired of bubble parties but I agree with you flavor and cohesiveness is a great idea but NO MORE BUBBLES GRACIAS! (might have spelled that wrong lol)

[Marxam]

I wish that they would just redesign DRK's mitigation effects so that they were are consistently flat damage reduction bubbles across the board (i.e. Oblation and Shadow Wall) to match the animations. You don't actually need to use %DR on every job, and it's a nice flavor choice.

Honestly I think they should split the tanks in the same way they split the healers. You have have flat mitigation tanks, PLD/GNB (shield oath) and eHP tanks, WAR/DRK (Defiance). The bigger HP pool would buff TBN and would differentiate the tanks enough at a glance just by looking at their HP. It would also pair well with shield healers. Throwback to WAR/SCH synergy of the older expansions.

[Archwizard]

Honestly I think they should split the tanks in the same way they split the healers.

I'd think if they were going to split the tanks in any way, it would have been between Main Tanks and Off-tanks, like they planned when they added Gunbreaker.

[baklava151]

Honestly I think they should split the tanks in the same way they split the healers. You have have flat mitigation tanks, PLD/GNB (shield oath) and eHP tanks, WAR/DRK (Defiance). The bigger HP pool would buff TBN and would differentiate the tanks enough at a glance just by looking at their HP. It would also pair well with shield healers. Throwback to WAR/SCH synergy of the older expansions.

I'd think if they were going to split the tanks in any way, it would have been between Main Tanks and Off-tanks, like they planned when they added Gunbreaker.

I think a split would work as long as they give both subroles opportunities to shine (maybe also magic vs physical?). I just haven't heard any particularly positive or negative feedback about the healer split so I couldn't make a call on if it'd be worth doing the same with tanks too or if it'd just be some arbitrary distinction.

[Marxam]

I'd think if they were going to split the tanks in any way, it would have been between Main Tanks and Off-tanks, like they planned when they added Gunbreaker.

MT/OT has a different definition pre SB than it does post. Back when boss fights had adds it was the OT that had to deal with it. Now all fights a singular boss and the OT just tag teams with MT for tank busters with nothing to do in between with regards to tanking outside of reprisal. Literally no reason to even have an OT now and it's only there as an antiquated design and forced on the player due to mechanics. For reference compare T1 to P1 boss fight and its literally night and day and see how MT and OT function in both.

If tanks should be split, it should be the result of their tool kits and not damage. Making OT the "damage tank" was never a good idea and the only reason WAR got that rep was because it was way over tuned in HW when compared to other tanks. Slashing debuff, 100% uptime on reprisal effect via SP, negate dmg penalty while in tank stance, seamlessly swap tank stances, ogcd that boosts ATK power, bloodbath synergy with defensive and offensive cds, etc. Yeah jobs can only dream of what WAR used to have and no other job has come close to as broken (and fun) as that.

Makes me wish they went back to the old style of MT handles the boss while OT handles the rest as opposed to what we have now.

[Crater]

I wish that they would just redesign DRK's mitigation effects so that they were are consistently flat damage reduction bubbles across the board (i.e. Oblation and Shadow Wall) to match the animations. You don't actually need to use %DR on every job, and it's a nice flavor choice.

I'm not sure if the bolded part is true. Tankbusters in this game can be tuned to almost 300% of a tank's maximum HP, unmitigated. It's difficult to imagine a system of flat-HP mitigation skills that would allow DRK to survive something like Soul Tether, even if it's married to something like Rampart which remains percentage-based as a role skill. It's more difficult still to imagine a system that would allow DRK to survive it without effectively giving DRK the ability to completely nullify the majority of "normal" Savage-sized (80~100% of max HP, unmitigated) tankbusters.

In general, flat-value mitigation is a bit tricky to balance, because at certain ranges of incoming damage, it very quickly becomes overpowered, but as the damage scales up, it pretty quickly goes from "average" to woefully underpowered. In FFXIV, I don't think you could build a tank around the concept that relies on it much more than DRK already does without creating a situation where certain things are needlessly easy and others are overly difficult to deal with.

[Griphyt]

i just need they change battle stance like cloud xd

[stanleyyoung]

oblation would be even better skill if it could have a regen effect 12sec for 250 potency if used above 50% hp or 1000 potency heal if below 50% hp also increase duration of TBN by 3sec and when shield breaks you get all mp back if it doesn't break you get 50% back.

if using oblation on another target they get regen effect 12sec for 250 potency if used above 50% hp or 1000 potency heal if below 50% hp and 10% damage reduction and increase parry rate by 50% 10sec upon parry an attack gain 5 black blood.

[Travel]

Dunno if this has been answered in the thread before, but... how does DRK fare in solo play, in comparison to the other Tanks? Was thinking about gearing up for some solo content, such as the Bahamut Coils and Extreme fights, but I was wondering if it would be worth it to use, in comparison to stuff like WAR, PLD, and RDM; I've heard those three are the best, but how does DRK measure up to them?

[Oizen]

Dunno if this has been answered in the thread before, but... how does DRK fare in solo play, in comparison to the other Tanks? Was thinking about gearing up for some solo content, such as the Bahamut Coils and Extreme fights, but I was wondering if it would be worth it to use, in comparison to stuff like WAR, PLD, and RDM; I've heard those three are the best, but how does DRK measure up to them?

For a lot of it, DRK's burst honestly makes it good enough to kill things before its sustain becomes an issue. And with the 6.1 change to Living Dead its honestly not the worst at keeping itself alive anymore.

I've rather easily soloed content up through Stormblood, not sure how much further I could go but I've never really had a reason