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    Avatre's Avatar
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    Avatre Drakone
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    Honestly, I can see the benefit to individual players to have a built-in DPS meter, that could even rank you the same way FFLogs does, but is completely private. It would tell you that there are improvements that can be done, though it may not be evident what you need to do, it would be a starting point of "Oh, my rotation isn't optimal, time to look around and see what would be better/help me improve".

    On the other hand, if is isn't private, I can see people kicking others from parties before even going into any content due to their numbers. Or, even if it is private, kicking people who don't want to share their numbers with others. It could lead to a fair amount of discrimination, especially when it's found out that someone lied about their numbers just so they wouldn't get kicked.

    I really don't care that people do parse, because it doesn't really affect me as an average player since I don't do savage/ultimates, provided it's used as a tool for self improvement/helping those on console - like myself - know where they need to improve(without harassing them of course).
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    Nemene Damendar
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    It's because Yoshi wants two mutually exclusive things. He wants difficult endgame content that requires skill to pass......and also zero gatekeeping for anything.

    I'm sorry, if you introduce a minimum skill level to do something that is somewhere above "have a pulse", people WILL discriminate (in the neutral sense of the term) when it comes to party members. They just will. Because you've set a bar for entry that some people -don't meet- and they don't want to meet.

    But since gatekeeping BadWrongEvil, you enable a playerbase where you can never ever ever ever be mean to, make suggestions to, or god forbid even question someone who expects a carry. You need to do the Japanese thing of passively, bitchily putting them on a silent blacklist, because that sort of noninteractivity is "better".

    All this drama over the utter REFUSAL to countenance statistics. For good or ill.
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    Sara Nade
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klytania View Post
    An officially supported damage meter should be added, there is no good argument against this. All they need to do is allow people to simply set their damage to private if they can't handle potential criticism or just don't want to mess with it. Same way they did with the adventure plates.

    They could even implement the feature with "private" as the default setting.

    The information is already flowing that's how the current plug-ins work. All SE would need to do is add an in-game GUI that allows you to access it.

    Being able to break down your damage and stats in a meaningful way is basically standard for most games like this, and it's insane that a game as big as XIV just ignores it. There are people I know who I keep trying to get into this game, but they won't because it is missing so many basic features like this.

    Virtually nobody would quit because a damage meter was added (as much as they scream on twitter to the contrary, they won't). But more people would be interested in the game if it was updated this way. It's a net positive.

    A huge NOPE: "Indeed, we’ve only released duties that we have proven can be beaten with the game’s standard features." - Yoshi P.
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    Klytania Moanmoore
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saranade View Post
    A huge NOPE: "Indeed, we’ve only released duties that we have proven can be beaten with the game’s standard features." - Yoshi P.
    This is why I posted the NPC meme. Thankyou for living up to it
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    Thi L'iun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saranade View Post
    A huge NOPE: "Indeed, we’ve only released duties that we have proven can be beaten with the game’s standard features." - Yoshi P.
    Everything that has been released can be beaten with the games standard features is a true statement.

    The content isn't the problem, it's the players. People want tools to filter out the players who do not match the standard competency required to clear the content.

    Tools or no tools, a party of bad players are not going to clear Savage let alone an Extreme.
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    Last edited by Thi; 05-18-2022 at 05:57 AM.

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    Ymir Bombullshale
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thi View Post
    Everything that has been released can be beaten with the games standard features is a true statement.

    The content isn't the problem, it's the players. People want tools to filter out the players who do not match the standard competency required to clear the content.

    Tools or no tools, a party of bad players are not going to clear Savage let alone an Extreme.
    In that case, no, you're never getting those tools. The developers have said the answer is no and will always be no, no matter how many times you ask.
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    Aylin Bielawska
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    The developers have said the answer is no and will always be no, no matter how many times you ask.
    Said the male Viera.
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    Klytania Moanmoore
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    Quote Originally Posted by MintnHoney View Post
    Said the male Viera.
    "That's impossible"
    >implements feature
    "This will be difficult don't expect it"
    >implements feature
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    Nia Niyah
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    In that case, no, you're never getting those tools. The developers have said the answer is no and will always be no, no matter how many times you ask.
    My brother in Hydaelyn you are literally playing a race that they said would never happen
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    My brother in Hydaelyn you are literally playing a race that they said would never happen
    Don't forget how they said no it's impossible for collection checkmarks on orchestration rolls and minions, and then added it!
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