Been seeing a lot of doomsaying in forums/in-game lately

[Jeeqbit]

A lot of people don't talk in-game, many times i tried starting conversations in Limsa in good hours and barely got a response

Just because you couldn't get anyone to talk in Limsa doesn't mean that nobody talks in the game. I see talking regularly when I join any party in party finder, in the novice network, my FC and CWLS, in shout in places like Bozja, Zadnor, Eureka, Ul'dah or in /say at Gridania. It may not be very common in dungeons but it does happen in dungeons as well if you do enough of them and it happens a lot in alliance raids.

In all honesty XIV has taken a turn downward content wise, job design wise, community wise

So you haven't enjoyed things like Bozja, Zadnor, DR, ocean fishing, the firmament restoration or crystalline conflict which many other people have enjoyed?

The jobs have been made easier to get into for new players. There was a time when I would never have imagined a new player being able to play DRK. We might be at a point where jobs shouldn't get any simpler but what has been done so far has just been to make them more polished and remove pain points such as pressing the wrong button and breaking your entire rotation, causing a 75% damage loss. So now pressing Holy Spirit instead of Confiteor doesn't remove half of PLD's magic combo and you can't overwrite 3 procs on DNC by pressing Flourish.

I wonder why you think the community has taken a downward turn when the latest Active Character estimate is 1.7 million which is between 700,000 and 1 million more than a year ago.

-Battle design is getting easier and easier, to the point most content is faceroll and even extremes and some savage fights are barely a challenge.

I've been playing for years and battle design is as good as ever. The mechanics in Pandaemonium are intriguing and make you think constantly, otherwise you would drop debuffs and aoes on people, cleave everyone, mis-count or not swap or position correctly and wipe the party. I've even seen a lot of healers in Pandaemonium having to spend over an hour coordinating their heals and mitigations because earlier in the tier, raid-wide damage actually wiped everyone if not mitigated. The new alliance raid seemed to be universally praised for mechanics and the latest dungeon has lots of fun ideas like spinning and lasers. The laser one is fun because I've already had to solo the boss a few times.

-The story of 6.1 left many disappointed, and the new story this patch not only killed off the hype it generated but it was a retread of skalla. If even the story is getting crap, then what about the rest of the game? The only core compenent of ff14's experience that hasn't gone downhill is the music

What? I'm extremely excited about the new direction of the story and where we are going next patch. I think a lot of people are as well.

[WaxSw]

But there is still a healer in those groups, which would mean the no the role is not useless. It isn't as useful as we might like but you still required them to clear.

Which groups?

-The no healer savage/ultimate/ex groups obvisouly don't
-The dungeon farms dont have any healer
-Normal tank runs don't have healers

The only group that have a healer are the exs and savages solo healer...

Are you really saying that is ok or even remotely acceptable that the endgame of a game where healers have easily 4/5ths of its kit designed to heal a party, in a party consisting of 2 tanks 2 healers and 4 dps, one of those healers can be easily replaced by a dps and not only the party performance doesn't resent but also becomes better?

Because that's a comically low bar of quality

[Colt47]

People always get worn down by the flaws they see in something. FFXIV is no different and I sort of just look at newer games to see how they are tackling things. Thing is eventually you need to move on to a new game when there's nothing left to do in the one you were just playing. I hit that point in Elden Ring a little while ago and started noticing a lot more videos criticizing elden ring for the mistakes in boss design and such.

As a long standing player, the one thing that I absolutely am critical on is the generic nature of races in this game largely due to how they presented things in the premise of the title. Very little thought was given to the long standing political views and how those would impact conversations with the player through the choices they made in terms of race and gender, which I felt that World of Warcraft did pretty well when it came between the horde, alliance, and other factions. A miqote is treated the same as a hume, an Elezen is treated the same as a hume, in all the daily interactions that we have in the game. In fact, we lose our entire identity to the starting nations that we grow out of incredibly quickly as well.

And when I say that WoW did do something well, it was that to be accepted on equal footing with the night elves as a human, you had to do a LOT of work with them to get there. And the night elves, even though they were on the alliance side, still had a lot of reasons to not trust humans.

Also, another long standing issue I've had with this game is that they don't have races, they have body types. It kind of goes hand in hand with the above criticism about racial identity in the game since having cat ears and a tail doesn't make you not human, it just makes you a human with cat ears and a tail.

So I guess you could say that regardless of what "race" you are playing, we are all part of the same mega-race rather than being individuals divided by any kind of culture.

[SieyaM]

Which groups?

-The no healer savage/ultimate/ex groups obvisouly don't
-The dungeon farms dont have any healer
-Normal tank runs don't have healers

The only group that have a healer are the exs and savages solo healer...

Are you really saying that is ok or even remotely acceptable that the endgame of a game where healers have easily 4/5ths of its kit designed to heal a party, in a party consisting of 2 tanks 2 healers and 4 dps, one of those healers can be easily replaced by a dps and not only the party performance doesn't resent but also becomes better?

Because that's a comically low bar of quality

So you are saying that anyone at any gear level can just queue up without a healer and run something successfully? Tell you what just load up the party finder, join a EX run from it and tell them kick the healers and go all DPS and see if you clear.

[LianaThorne]

So you are saying that anyone at any gear level can just queue up without a healer and run something successfully? Tell you what just load up the party finder, join a EX run from it and tell them kick the healers and go all DPS and see if you clear.

Yes, it's called unsync.

Otherwise the game forces you to queue with one in dungeons. And extreme trials are already done without healers. You can easily unsync them as all dps with one tank to get punched in the face.

Speaking from personal experience, I have a WAR friend I run dungeons with sometimes (usually end game or dungeons known for having some fun bigger pulls). He purposefully tells me to not heal him and will have me sit out of bosses so he can solo heal the entire party. I get a kick out of watching it to be honest. XD

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Which groups?

-The no healer savage/ultimate/ex groups obvisouly don't
-The dungeon farms dont have any healer
-Normal tank runs don't have healers

The only group that have a healer are the exs and savages solo healer...

Are you really saying that is ok or even remotely acceptable that the endgame of a game where healers have easily 4/5ths of its kit designed to heal a party, in a party consisting of 2 tanks 2 healers and 4 dps, one of those healers can be easily replaced by a dps and not only the party performance doesn't resent but also becomes better?

Because that's a comically low bar of quality

But none of this is NEW.

You could do no healer runs of stuff back in arr. No tank runs too.

And all healer/all tank runs.


Literally nothing has changed.


I solod the 2nd boss in halatali hard on PLD from 80% back when it was current.

All job runs of alliance raids were a thing back then.

All job runs of ex fights became a thing later in arr.

Like... None of this is new....

[SieyaM]

Yes, it's called unsync.

Otherwise the game forces you to queue with one in dungeons. And extreme trials are already done without healers. You can easily unsync them as all dps with one tank to get punched in the face.

Speaking from personal experience, I have a WAR friend I run dungeons with sometimes (usually end game or dungeons known for having some fun bigger pulls). He purposefully tells me to not heal him and will have me sit out of bosses so he can solo heal the entire party. I get a kick out of watching it to be honest. XD

Sorry guess I should have specified current EX trails, didn't think anyone would believe we were discussing old unsynced content that sometimes can even be soloed by a healer.

[LianaThorne]

Sorry guess I should have specified current EX trails, didn't think anyone would believe we were discussing old unsynced content that sometimes can even be soloed by a healer.

Yeah there are already full tank runs of current ex content....

[Semirhage]

But none of this is NEW.

You could do no healer runs of stuff back in arr. No tank runs too.

And all healer/all tank runs.


Literally nothing has changed.


I solod the 2nd boss in halatali hard on PLD from 80% back when it was current.

All job runs of alliance raids were a thing back then.

All job runs of ex fights became a thing later in arr.

Like... None of this is new....

Yeah, THAT's the problem with horrible design. Recency.

[Iscah]

Yes, it's called unsync.

Otherwise the game forces you to queue with one in dungeons.

Actually, the game lets you have whatever party composition you want if you're queuing as a full party, unsynched or not.

We accidentally queued for levelling roulette without a healer once. Only got Tam-Tara and pushed through it with the tank kiting enemies rather than properly tanking, since we had 2-3 ranged DPS.