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  1. #1
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    LaylaTsarra's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Drk players had been asking for a LD change for years,which was an objectively badly designed ability and it didn’t get changed until now. So i’m not sure your logic follows. Also….if they aren’t going to give healers more dps options, then they can at least make fights his harder so we have to heal more, but they can’t even do that and instead most fights this expansion compared to others are healed far easier than ever before. Please stop with this ignorance.
    Oh I'm not ignorant. I do more content than you and it's not what I'm seeing but keep pushing your agenda. Healers need to heal in the duties I'm in including myself.

    Bottom line is the development team isn't listening to the dps centric healer community. They've been asking for more of that for years and it's not happening it appears. Keep trying though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    This is just how I feel and I see no point in pretending it's not just because the aggressive positivity brigade don't like it.
    So those who find the game fine and don't go with the negativity are part of the aggressive positivity brigade? And who are those who push negativity on the forum daily? Are they part of the aggressive negativity brigade?

    Quote Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut View Post
    I have a right to be furious at female Viera having clown feet. It's easy for you to say this, because its coming from a lalafell who have the shoe size of a bottle cap.
    At least we're seeing some positivity in the hairstyle department for Viera finally. One can hope we'll get to see some attention put towards at least some headgear as we move forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by StriderShinryu View Post
    This is a huge point that doesn't really get much consideration.
    Is FF14 perfect? No. Should players speak their minds and give mature, constructive feedback? Yes.
    The issue is that a large portion of the negative "feedback" here boils down to "I don't like it therefore it's bad." There's a massive difference between not liking something and something being bad, but that seems to get lost on a lot of people here.
    Totally agree.
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    Sebazy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    Bottom line is the development team isn't listening to the dps centric healer community. They've been asking for more of that for years and it's not happening it appears. Keep trying though.
    DPS centric you say?

    I'm not really sure I fit into that category

    The biggest fundamental problem with the healer role right now is that we can expect to spend an absurd proportion of our GCD pressing 1 button over and over again. I'm far from some green DPS wannabe. My logs are trash and I couldn't care less about them. Yet I'm spending 70%+ of my time in savage pressing one button over and over again. Drop down to more casual content such as the current 24 man and it's far worse still. I've got a log there where I didn't even bother casting regen once because it just wasn't needed. That breaks my heart.

    Go ask proper veteran healer mains that have raided from BCOB onwards and ask them what their favourite boss is. I guarantee you that fights such as Living Liquid and Kefka will be consistent answers. Why? They aren't fights that we get to spam endless DPS on. No, not at all. Rather they were challenging to heal. They forced us to actually heal and they had huge amounts of potential for optimisation and teamwork with your cohealer beyond simply mapping out a spreadsheet of your oGCDs. Remember when you couldn't just let your tank drop for fear of the boss criting them? Remember when Clown Kefka would transition to the next floor and then promptly stamp your tank to death in a matter of seconds whilst you weren't paying attention? Remember when you had to pick a tank each so that you wouldn't both GCD heal the same tank whilst the other dropped dead before you could react? Even the very first fight of BCOB required exactly this back when it was relevant, and yet here we are now where even simply maintaining regen on a tank in savage is typically a waste as they can heal themselves through most of the auto attack damage just fine.

    Spoiler alert, it's not the healer community that's pushing this DPS centric focus.

    We've asked for fights to have more healing like they used to back in the day. Yoshida very specifically said no.

    Again, it's not the healer community that's pushing this DPS centric focus.

    Personally, I want more healing but frankly, I'll take anything I can get at this point as long as it doesn't involve pressing the same single button well north of 100 times per fight. I want to triage like I did in WoW PvP. I want to be pushed and tested. Right now the only way I can do that is to dilute everything I do down into more and more glare casts and I hate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    Healers need to heal in the duties I'm in including myself.
    Oh but we'd love to have somethnig to heal. Really.
    And no, that doesn't mean "spam medica II every 15 sec because it's pretty".

    Anyway, I do agree with you. Healers are dead. Yoshida's vision of new players is so mind numbing that we'll never ever have any complexity back to the healer role.

    Time to reroll WAR or PLD. Healers with an actual DPS rotation. Yeah ! ( I love PLD ).
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    I’d like to take this time to quickly do some shameless recruitment:

    Feeling aimless lately? Finished all the content in a week and don’t know what to do next? Consider joining ANB (Aggressive Negativity Brigade)! We’re a small but loud minority of the community looking to make connections because let’s face it, it’s hard out here in these Eorzean streets!

    PM me for more details on how to join! (oh wait…)
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    I would like a break and stop paying SE but...
    *points to house*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    I would like a break and stop paying SE but...
    *points to house*
    Take a month off, come back. It's simple, you'll still have 15 days to get back into the house that way.
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    Kan Himaa
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    People always get worn down by the flaws they see in something. FFXIV is no different and I sort of just look at newer games to see how they are tackling things. Thing is eventually you need to move on to a new game when there's nothing left to do in the one you were just playing. I hit that point in Elden Ring a little while ago and started noticing a lot more videos criticizing elden ring for the mistakes in boss design and such.

    As a long standing player, the one thing that I absolutely am critical on is the generic nature of races in this game largely due to how they presented things in the premise of the title. Very little thought was given to the long standing political views and how those would impact conversations with the player through the choices they made in terms of race and gender, which I felt that World of Warcraft did pretty well when it came between the horde, alliance, and other factions. A miqote is treated the same as a hume, an Elezen is treated the same as a hume, in all the daily interactions that we have in the game. In fact, we lose our entire identity to the starting nations that we grow out of incredibly quickly as well.

    And when I say that WoW did do something well, it was that to be accepted on equal footing with the night elves as a human, you had to do a LOT of work with them to get there. And the night elves, even though they were on the alliance side, still had a lot of reasons to not trust humans.

    Also, another long standing issue I've had with this game is that they don't have races, they have body types. It kind of goes hand in hand with the above criticism about racial identity in the game since having cat ears and a tail doesn't make you not human, it just makes you a human with cat ears and a tail.

    So I guess you could say that regardless of what "race" you are playing, we are all part of the same mega-race rather than being individuals divided by any kind of culture.
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    Guess you gotta make a forum post about it with no real purpose or whatever.
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    What happened this thread turned into a battle between if healers are needed or not and reasons to justify healing being boring because people ran stuff in the past with out healers?

    Healers are boring, people are not enjoying healing, the content doesn't fit the niche of requiring healers all the time. These are problems. Why would anyone sweep this to the side and say it's fine people did things with out healers before.
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