Been seeing a lot of doomsaying in forums/in-game lately

[Novae]

Healers need to heal in the duties I'm in including myself.

Oh but we'd love to have somethnig to heal. Really.
And no, that doesn't mean "spam medica II every 15 sec because it's pretty".

Anyway, I do agree with you. Healers are dead. Yoshida's vision of new players is so mind numbing that we'll never ever have any complexity back to the healer role.

Time to reroll WAR or PLD. Healers with an actual DPS rotation. Yeah ! ( I love PLD ).

[SieyaM]

He's not talking about opinions, healers ARE useless in most content. Most of dungeons can be soloed by tanks and consistently cleared with just tanks and dps, Ucob has been cleared by tanks only, we've seen tank only clears of all the normal mode raids (and even the 1 tank clear of P1N), P1s and P2s, unless mechanics that could cause a wipe target healers is pretty normal for extreme farms to have only 1 or no healers at all (and aside from endsinger both EW Exs have been cleared without healers) and even in savage and ultimate healers spam their main damage spell far more than all of the heals they use combined and there are far far more examples.

At this point there is no such a thing as dps centric healers, just healers that know how their role works and healers that don't

These things are done with highly coordinated groups in voice chat that have an agreed strategy and BiS gear, this is not indicative of the game as a whole. There are also players that can clear Elden ring in 10 minutes or so, so I guess we should call that game shallow, easy, and too short.

[Sebazy]

These things are done with highly coordinated groups in voice chat that have an agreed strategy and BiS gear, this is not indicative of the game as a whole. There are also players that can clear Elden ring in 10 minutes or so, so I guess we should call that game shallow, easy, and too short.

Absolutely untrue:

https://youtu.be/T6MvwQWBMVg?t=476

Elite static? They had 45 minutes left on the timer. So uh no, they definitely weren't.

[Raoabolic]

I would like a break and stop paying SE but...
*points to house*

[WaxSw]

These things are done with highly coordinated groups in voice chat that have an agreed strategy and BiS gear, this is not indicative of the game as a whole. There are also players that can clear Elden ring in 10 minutes or so, so I guess we should call that game shallow, easy, and too short.

Not all of them are "highly coordinated runs in Bis" not even close. Yes the no healer extremes savages and ultimates require group coordination but 1 healer runs for ex farm is easily doable with randoms even if the people is not even close to BiS, solo healing Savage can be easily done without a coordinated group as long as the healer knows the fight ofc (the only reason we don't see more of this is fflogs, healer specific mechanics and weekly gear cap) and the tanks soloing dungeons is a thing that anyone can do with very little effort and no Bis gear whatsoever

Those achievements, no matter how skilled the players are, show that the game has way too little outgoing damage for the amount of healing tools healers have and in a lot of cases show how healers are comodity rather than a necessity.

Edit: The difference with elden ring is that players clearing in 10m only do it by ignoring large chunks of the "game" with meaningful content, you have world that you treat as a straight line. Healers are the opposite all the meaningful content is condensed into those "10m" and all the actions apart from that are unnecessary deviations that do not provide anything useful/meaningful, we have a straight line and are asked to treat it as a world.

[RyuDragnier]

I would like a break and stop paying SE but...
*points to house*

Take a month off, come back. It's simple, you'll still have 15 days to get back into the house that way.

[Striker44]

If there are a lot of unhappy people then something needs to be addressed.

Like, I'm sorry but... Unhappy people on this scale isn't just a coincidence. It isn't a "loud niche" or clique. People are welcome to argue whether or not said unhappiness is being expressed constructively but this isn't something I believe can be handwaved away.

I don't think there are "a lot" of unhappy people. Look through the "doomsaying" threads and it's the same small group just spouting negativity over and over. I don't see it anywhere else. People in-game, people in my FC - it's all people having fun and enjoying themselves. People are *happy* on a large scale. For those who want to see that positivity, I recommend heading over to YT and checking out videos from EW or its OST, and you'll see just a deluge of people expressing how much they like what's going on.

[SieyaM]

Not all of them are "highly coordinated runs in Bis" not even close. Yes the no healer extremes savages and ultimates require group coordination but 1 healer runs for ex farm is easily doable with randoms even if the people is not even close to BiS, solo healing Savage can be easily done without a coordinated group as long as the healer knows the fight ofc (the only reason we don't see more of this is fflogs, healer specific mechanics and weekly gear cap) and the tanks soloing dungeons is a thing that anyone can do with very little effort and no Bis gear whatsoever

Those achievements, no matter how skilled the players are, show that the game has way too little outgoing damage for the amount of healing tools healers have and in a lot of cases show how healers are comodity rather than a necessity.

But there is still a healer in those groups, which would mean the no the role is not useless. It isn't as useful as we might like but you still required them to clear.

[Sebazy]

But there is still a healer in those groups, which would mean the no the role is not useless. It isn't as useful as we might like but you still required them to queue.

Fixed for you

[Theodric]

The people who actually play and enjoy the game dont have a lot of time to post on the forum. So its natural that most of the threads ate negative. These are the minority that spend more time on forum than playing.

I don't think that's true, since a lot of people post in between doing other things. It's...not terribly time consuming to tab out, make a post whilst sitting in a queue and then tab back into the game.

Much like how many people somehow manage to play a game but also hold a conversation - or multiple conversations - in Discord.

It also fails to account for people who enjoy the game but recognise issues and want to see improvement because they'd prefer to see issues mitigated rather than left to fester.