Would you want account progression?

[DPZ2]

You have already done the work, and here is another thing it's a video game, not a job.

Other MMOs allow you to either fully level within a few hrs of efficient grind, i.e. wow, or grant far faster levelling on other characters i.e Lost Ark, Gw2, SWTOR etc.

Other MMOs don't allow you to play multiple classes on a single character. The ability to full level within a few hours of efficient grind is fairly new for WoW. How do I know? I played the game for 10 years, and had an alt for each class, both Alliance and Horde side. I know how long it used to take 14 years after initial release of that game. It wasn't a 'few hours'.

Instead of just complaining and using what-if arguments, grow a brain and contribute to how the goal might be achieved were not playing other MMOs where playing FF14 and it could be better.

Instead of wanting to turn this game into some other game you like, accept it for what it is. This is one of a very few MMOs where PC and Console users share worlds. Perhaps we should wait for all of those other games to get to that point before we demand this one be like them.

[Ayuhra]

Other MMOs don't allow you to play multiple classes on a single character. The ability to full level within a few hours of efficient grind is fairly new for WoW. How do I know? I played the game for 10 years, and had an alt for each class, both Alliance and Horde side. I know how long it used to take 14 years after initial release of that game. It wasn't a 'few hours'.



Instead of wanting to turn this game into some other game you like, accept it for what it is. This is one of a very few MMOs where PC and Console users share worlds. Perhaps we should wait for all of those other games to get to that point before we demand this one be like them.

I feel like this is a bit of a strong reaction to the conversation.

This is not a what-if conversation about dramatically changing game systems, it's about unlocking some things like mounts/minions/triple triad cards on alts. Giving what is earned on a main to an alt's collections tabs. Something like this is nice for alt players and does not affect the people who play only one character at all. (And like I said IF something like this were to happen it would have to involve some engine overhauls that would only help other areas of the game where things are a bit, let's face it, janky.)

[Packetdancer]

This is not a what-if conversation about dramatically changing game systems, it's about unlocking some things like mounts/minions/triple triad cards on alts. Giving what is earned on a main to an alt's collections tabs.

I grant it started that way.

However, at this point, the thread has also contained suggestions that completing the MSQ on one character should complete it on all your characters, and that you should be able to funnel XP from one character to level a job on another, and so on.

The justification for this being examples like "other games let you level alt characters from fresh to cap in a few hours", while FFXIV gates "I want this alt to catch up to that one" behind story skips and job boosts.

For instance...

Sometimes I want to play another race without having to fork out £5 for fantasia, but the work to have a character at the end game to play with friends is too high and would take me at least 3-5 weeks to get passed story without a skip.

Yeah, i try to get my second char through the MSQ and its just a pain in da ass... thinking at the book to skip to the start of endwalker came in my mind more and more often, and there are more characters waiting (roleplayer)

True, but eventually, the amount of content needed on one character becomes the biggest wall in the game. It would be good if we could have an account-wide level progression system or have the ability to grant levels to our alts or jobs we don't want to play. We should also have the ability to skip the recent Arc if we have done it on one character already.

I'd play my alts a lot more and perhaps have even more of them if progression was shared. maybe i'm super happy with my Warrior being a big bad roegadyn, but want my summoner to be a lalafell and dragoon to be a miquote. but really dont wanna be trapsing the msq and everything multiple times.

Other MMOs allow you to either fully level within a few hrs of efficient grind, i.e. wow, or grant far faster levelling on other characters i.e Lost Ark, Gw2, SWTOR etc.

...and so on. So at this point, it seems like more than mounts and minions are under discussion.

(Side note: I think the existing armory bonus -- the chonky XP boost to any job that isn't your highest level one -- is meant to be FFXIV's equivalent to 'faster leveling of alts'.)

DPZ2's post might've been vehement, but it's not irrelevant; parts of this thread have in fact been discussing fairly dramatic changes to existing game systems. (E.g. MSQ progression, how you level jobs, etc.)

[Ayuhra]

(Side note: I think the existing armory bonus -- the chonky XP boost to any job that isn't your highest level one -- is meant to be FFXIV's equivalent to 'faster leveling of alts'.)

DPZ2's post might've been vehement, but it's not irrelevant; parts of this thread have in fact been discussing fairly dramatic changes to existing game systems. (E.g. MSQ progression, how you level jobs, etc.)

I see.

To be clear, since I started the thread:
My stance is it would be nice to have the following account wide:

-Mounts
-Minions
-Triple Triad Cards
-Emotes
-Hairstyles
-Titles (Maybe, I can go either way on this since some titles should only be on the character that earned them)
-Mogstation Purchases (except for Eternal Bond, fantasias, dyes, story skips and level skips)

Quicker leveling on alt characters can already be done if you roll on a server running the Road buff and if that's not fast enough, the option to skip with real money from Mogstation is there. Most games only give major skips for money, the exception being Guild Wars 2 but that game has horizontal progression and leveling is the tutorial so it's really its own thing. Leveling alt JOBS on a main is already doable with the armory bonus. If any skip should be done for alt characters on the same account it should be something like Relic, where they are able to tackle weapons with shorter grinds equivalent to your main's weapons for alt jobs and only if the main has already done everything.

[GeminiReed]

(Side note: I think the existing armory bonus -- the chonky XP boost to any job that isn't your highest level one -- is meant to be FFXIV's equivalent to 'faster leveling of alts'.)

It's only chonky for kill XP. Compared to MSQ quest XP it's rather anemic which is one of the reasons why running dungeons outside of leveling roulette feels like a slog IMO.

[Packetdancer]

It's only chonky for kill XP. Compared to MSQ quest XP it's rather anemic which is one of the reasons why running dungeons outside of leveling roulette feels like a slog IMO.

By chonky, I meant more the fact that the armory bonus is a +100%, so doubles the base XP on anything it applies to; percentage-wise, that's chonky.

But yes, compared to MSQ XP, almost everything feels anemic. The armory bonus (plus anything else you stack) just makes it less anemic.

[Vryn]

Other MMOs don't allow you to play multiple classes on a single character. The ability to full level within a few hours of efficient grind is fairly new for WoW. How do I know? I played the game for 10 years, and had an alt for each class, both Alliance and Horde side. I know how long it used to take 14 years after the initial release of that game. It wasn't a 'few hours.



Instead of wanting to turn this game into some other game you like, accept it for what it is. This is one of a very few MMOs where PC and Console users share worlds. Perhaps we should wait for those other games to get to that point before we demand this one be like them.

Yes, they do. Other MMOs have specialisations which are classes within classes. Wow, gets 2-4 depending on class, same with Gw2 and SWTOR. Other MMOs also have talents. The ability to change class on one character isn't that unique. Square can balance the classes because they aren't that different mechanically, especially if it's a healer or a tank. Most are the same role with different gimic. There is a more significant difference between a demonology warlock and an Affliction warlock in WoW than any healer in FF14. The same could be said of tanks.

We do not want to turn it into another game. We want the game to improve the trend of accessibility and to allow others to maximise the fun out of FF14 because we want to play more of FF14. Also, FF14 was not created in a vacuum. It took massive amounts of inspiration from other MMOs, so there is no reason it should not do the same now.

In WoW classic, you could reach max level in a few hrs, especially if you got a mage. Unfortunately, you just weren't that good.

Also, most MMOs today are on console, and most games are massively multiplayer.

So no, Im not going to accept the game for what it is. I will not obey and consume the product for Square.

[DPZ2]

So no Im not going to accept the game for what it is, I will not obey and consume the product for Square.

Prepare to be permanently disappointed.

[Vryn]

Prepare to be permanently disappointed.

Yes, not being a corporate shill and wanting additions to a product I pay monthly for will make me permanently disappointed. So why are you on the forums if not to give feedback and suggestions for additions and QoL improvements to the game?

[DPZ2]

Yes, not being a corporate shill and wanting additions to a product I pay monthly for will make me permanently disappointed. So why are you on the forums if not to give feedback and suggestions for additions and QoL improvements to the game?

I'm a corporate shill, of course. You found me out. It makes my day to come here and watch players crash and burn because this game is not some other game.

What's your excuse?

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