Would you want account progression?

[Solarra]

I would love account-wide progression. I know that you can do everything on one character but that's not the point. It would be nice to have choice. We can make alts but the game is seriously unfriendly to players who do. I don't think account-wide mogstation items will happen but it would be nice to at least be able to trade items between my alts or send post to them.
And whatever happened to letting alts share houses?

[Shiazirah]

I am not sure qhere i should position myself here... i have 8 chars just on Louisoix... 4 are through reborn, 1 of them through complete MSQ and the second busy with lvl70 MSQ content... and 4 on the way through reborn...

i bought different things, account and characterstuff... i am type of a roleplayer, so not every gear i bought for one char i wish to have on another char....

if all is available accountwide, SE will make it more expensive, so players with just 1 char are "fucked up".

A solution i could see is simple to give the player the choice to buy for one character for cheap price or to buy accountwide for more money...
THat would respect the ones with just 1 char or who wanna buy this or that just for one character, but the other players too who wish to buy an item for the whole account.


about the ingameachivments... at the end its the character who got the achivment, not the account.... If you go so far to open achivments from one character i could ask too, why not unlock every single part of the game accountwide? You played 1 char through the MSQ, you make an alternate, so this alternate have too... i mean: where to draw the line what shall be remain for the character, what shall open up for the whole account?


One thing i agree to is sending post to may alternates. There is no reason not to open up for that, because i can already "trade" things between my characters, its just little bit work...
To use house/appartment accountwide would be a nice thing too.

[Vryn]

Right now this is about the only MMORPG out there with no account progression. That is any mount, title, minion or achievement you make is bound to your character.

Personally I would love to see this changed, though I understand there are engine limitations preventing it right now... Although I really wish everything bought on Mogstation short of dyes, marriages, fantasias and skips were account bound.

On the flip side some people like not having mounts or achievements on alts and genuinely enjoy the feeling of starting fresh. I can kinda get that too.

(I also know this game doesn't encourage alts, everything is doable on one character. But you can have alts and pay a higher monthly fee for them, so it's a valid question.)

Sometimes I want to play another race without having to fork out £5 for fantasia, but the work to have a character at the end game to play with friends is too high and would take me at least 3-5 weeks to get passed story without a skip.

The game is very good at placing arbitrary walls in front of you to squeeze more money. This causes more burnout in my mind, and not going to play another game is not an excuse for poor design by game developers.

[Shiazirah]

Sometimes I want to play another race without having to fork out £5 for fantasia, but the work to have a character at the end game to play with friends is too high and would take me at least 3-5 weeks to get passed story without a skip.

The game is very good at placing arbitrary walls in front of you to squeeze more money. This causes more burnout in my mind, and not going to play another game is not an excuse for poor design by game developers.

Yeah, i try to get my second char through the MSQ and its just a pain in da ass... thinking at the book to skip to the start of endwalker came in my mind more and more often, and there are more characters waiting (roleplayer) having as example 5 characterplates to switch between would be a solution, even if it means i have to get nude before switching, but much better than fanta all the time... no wonder fanta is the most sold item of them all??

[Packetdancer]

The game is very good at placing arbitrary walls in front of you to squeeze more money. This causes more burnout in my mind, and not going to play another game is not an excuse for poor design by game developers.

While I agree that they make paying for things a way to have a lot of conveniences, I would also note that the fact that I can do literally all the things on one character also removes a fair number of walls.

I have played more than a few games where you get to have exactly one class per character, and if you want to play a different thing... welp, enjoy starting at ground zero in terms of everything. What content's available, how far you are in the MSQ, what zones you have access to, etc. When I was playing WildStar, I seriously considered trying out Medic. But then I thought "I have already leveled an Exile Spellslinger/Explorer and a Dominion Engineer/Scientist, and have an Exile Esper/Settler about halfway through the game; I lack the energy to level a fourth character from ground zero."

(And then the game went away. Guess I'll never have a chance to seriously try Medic now!)

On FFXIV, if I go "I think I've lost all common sense, reason, and ability to recognize when I'm about to cause myself immense frustration -- let's level black mage!" I can at least do it on the same character, with access to everything I've earned while playing other jobs. Ones I enjoy. (I swear, I only ever level black mage because it changes so often from level to level that I keep telling myself that maybe in another 10 levels, it will change into something I actually enjoy playing.)

Now, that said, there are plenty of other reasons to have multiple characters. Roleplayers often like to have multiple ones, I have a secondary alt here on Leviathan to raid on without screwing friends out of chests, I have a much-neglected character on a different datacenter to play with friends there, etc. But one of the big reasons in any other game is "I've played <X> for a while now, I think I'd like to try my hand at <Y>", and that one, FFXIV lets you do without having to start entirely anew.

(Edit: Yikes, I am terrible at proofreading my own posts when I'm insomniac and it's 1:30am.)

[Vryn]

While I agree that they make paying for things a way to have a lot of conveniences, I would also note that the fact that I can do literally all the things on one character also removes a fair number of walls.

I have played more than a few games where you get to have exactly one class per character, and if you want to play a different thing... welp, enjoy starting at ground zero in terms of everything. What content's available, how far you are in the MSQ, what zones you have access to, etc. When I was playing WildStar, I seriously considered trying out Medic. But then I thought "I have already leveled an Exile Spellslinger/Explorer and a Dominion Engineer/Scientist, and have an Exile Esper/Settler about halfway through the game; I lack the energy to level a fourth character from ground zero."

(And then the game went away. Guess I'll never have a chance to seriously try Medic now!)

On FFXIV, if I go "I think I've lost all common sense, reason, and ability to recognize when I'm about to cause myself immense frustration -- let's level black mage!" I can at least do it on the same character, with access to everything I've earned while playing other jobs. Ones I enjoy. (I swear, I only ever level black mage because it changes so often from level to level that I keep telling myself that maybe in another 10 levels, it will change into something I actually enjoy playing.)

Now, that said, there are plenty of other reasons to have multiple characters. Roleplayers often like to have multiple ones, I have a secondary alt here on Leviathan to raid on without screwing friends out of chests, I have a much-neglected character on a different datacenter to play with friends there, etc. But one of the big reasons in any other game is "I've played <X> for a while now, I think I'd like to try my hand at <Y>", and that one, FFXIV lets you do without having to start entirely anew.

(Edit: Yikes, I am terrible at proofreading my own posts when I'm insomniac and it's 1:30am.)

True, but eventually, the amount of content needed on one character becomes the biggest wall in the game. It would be good if we could have an account-wide level progression system or have the ability to grant levels to our alts or jobs we don't want to play. We should also have the ability to skip the recent Arc if we have done it on one character already.

The argument that everything can be done on one character is poor because if we only need one character, then why give us eight character slots as a choice.

[DPZ2]

Sometimes I want to play another race without having to fork out £5 for fantasia, but the work to have a character at the end game to play with friends is too high and would take me at least 3-5 weeks to get passed story without a skip.

The game is very good at placing arbitrary walls in front of you to squeeze more money. This causes more burnout in my mind, and not going to play another game is not an excuse for poor design by game developers.

What other MMO allows you to 'play another race' on an alt without having to work through the leveling process (or pay money for a boost)?

The design of every single MMO I've played has been "You want an alt? Work for it". Suddenly that's poor design?

The only thing different in this game is that you require a separate physical subscription to send things via mail to someone. Given the problems inherent with RMT, that's a good thing.

I suppose that there could be a shared 'bank vault' ... complete with micropayments for every additional slot like games such as Blade and Souls... I don't believe that would go over well with the opposition I read about for the Moogle Store.

[Vryn]

What other MMO allows you to 'play another race' on an alt without having to work through the leveling process (or pay money for a boost)?

The design of every single MMO I've played has been "You want an alt? Work for it". Suddenly that's poor design?

The only thing different in this game is that you require a separate physical subscription to send things via mail to someone. Given the problems inherent with RMT, that's a good thing.

I suppose that there could be a shared 'bank vault' ... complete with micropayments for every additional slot like games such as Blade and Souls... I don't believe that would go over well with the opposition I read about for the Moogle Store.

You have already done the work, and here is another thing it's a video game, not a job.

Other MMOs allow you to either fully level within a few hrs of efficient grind, i.e. wow, or grant far faster levelling on other characters i.e Lost Ark, Gw2, SWTOR etc.

What? Just because something stops RMT doesn't make it good. RMT is going to exist either way. All you saying is to cripple the overall user experience for 99% of the player base because one guy buys gold.

Secondly, the gear grind in the game is token-based. Thirdly just have achievements, mounts etc. be account-wide.

Instead of just complaining and using what-if arguments, grow a brain and contribute to how the goal might be achieved were not playing other MMOs where playing FF14 and it could be better.

[DPZ2]

You have already done the work, and here is another thing it's a video game, not a job.

Other MMOs allow you to either fully level within a few hrs of efficient grind, i.e. wow, or grant far faster levelling on other characters i.e Lost Ark, Gw2, SWTOR etc.

Other MMOs don't allow you to play multiple classes on a single character. The ability to full level within a few hours of efficient grind is fairly new for WoW. How do I know? I played the game for 10 years, and had an alt for each class, both Alliance and Horde side. I know how long it used to take 14 years after initial release of that game. It wasn't a 'few hours'.

Instead of just complaining and using what-if arguments, grow a brain and contribute to how the goal might be achieved were not playing other MMOs where playing FF14 and it could be better.

Instead of wanting to turn this game into some other game you like, accept it for what it is. This is one of a very few MMOs where PC and Console users share worlds. Perhaps we should wait for all of those other games to get to that point before we demand this one be like them.

[Ayuhra]

Other MMOs don't allow you to play multiple classes on a single character. The ability to full level within a few hours of efficient grind is fairly new for WoW. How do I know? I played the game for 10 years, and had an alt for each class, both Alliance and Horde side. I know how long it used to take 14 years after initial release of that game. It wasn't a 'few hours'.



Instead of wanting to turn this game into some other game you like, accept it for what it is. This is one of a very few MMOs where PC and Console users share worlds. Perhaps we should wait for all of those other games to get to that point before we demand this one be like them.

I feel like this is a bit of a strong reaction to the conversation.

This is not a what-if conversation about dramatically changing game systems, it's about unlocking some things like mounts/minions/triple triad cards on alts. Giving what is earned on a main to an alt's collections tabs. Something like this is nice for alt players and does not affect the people who play only one character at all. (And like I said IF something like this were to happen it would have to involve some engine overhauls that would only help other areas of the game where things are a bit, let's face it, janky.)