Would you want account progression?

[GeminiReed]

I started a fresh character in November to replay ARR and HW, and am very glad I did. There's something to be said for experiencing being a brand-newbie without a Gil to your name again.

There's also something to be said for having account-wide things. Here's what I'd like:

1. Minions and mounts
2. Loot. A lot of those Untradable items my retainers bring back on one character would be awfully nice to have as glams on the other.
3. Mail. Being able to mail stuff between characters would be a huge QoL improvement
4. Unlimited mailing of Gil between all characters on a world. Not between worlds, just within the one on which the gold is being mailed.
5. House/Apartment/FC Room tenancy.
6. Mogstation purchases
7. Hairstyles

I'm torn on achievements, leaning towards not, since so many of them are tied to story progression and not just random Grind X of These and similar.

Agree with most. Character-only Mogstation is costing them sales. Sadly that's hard to prove without them making them account enabled. Once you open up any sort of cross-world item trading between alts the same-world restriction in #4 is pointless (psst! it already is).

I'd still like to see some form of additional shared storage that can only accept things you'd be able to put into an FC chest. While it would be nice if that would work cross world it's probably too much of a lift to be implemented.

[DPZ2]

So no Im not going to accept the game for what it is, I will not obey and consume the product for Square.

Prepare to be permanently disappointed.

[Vryn]

Prepare to be permanently disappointed.

Yes, not being a corporate shill and wanting additions to a product I pay monthly for will make me permanently disappointed. So why are you on the forums if not to give feedback and suggestions for additions and QoL improvements to the game?

[Vav2021]

Right now this is about the only MMORPG out there with no account progression. That is any mount, title, minion or achievement you make is bound to your character.

Personally I would love to see this changed, though I understand there are engine limitations preventing it right now... Although I really wish everything bought on Mogstation short of dyes, marriages, fantasias and skips were account bound.

On the flip side some people like not having mounts or achievements on alts and genuinely enjoy the feeling of starting fresh. I can kinda get that too.

(I also know this game doesn't encourage alts, everything is doable on one character. But you can have alts and pay a higher monthly fee for them so it's a valid question.)

I have two emotes I paid for on another server. I don't have access to them because I play on another server now. Now, i'm not crying or complaining that I don't have access to them, because I read the fine print and bought them understanding the implications, but I am complaining that it's not account wide for something that must be bought with real world money. I am glad I didn't buy the 4-person mount for 30 dollars on that server.

I think a lot should be account wide, but unless people ask for it loudly, i don't see it happening.

[DPZ2]

Yes, not being a corporate shill and wanting additions to a product I pay monthly for will make me permanently disappointed. So why are you on the forums if not to give feedback and suggestions for additions and QoL improvements to the game?

I'm a corporate shill, of course. You found me out. It makes my day to come here and watch players crash and burn because this game is not some other game.

What's your excuse?

</sarcasm>

[Vryn]

I'm a corporate shill, of course. You found me out. It makes my day to come here and watch players crash and burn because this game is not some other game.

What's your excuse?

</sarcasm>

I have already answered your question. It's in your quote learn to read; it's never sarcasm. You are just here to annoy people asking for reasonable improvements to something they pay for monthly.

[Syln]

Would be awesome but probably won't happen.

[Packetdancer]

It's only chonky for kill XP. Compared to MSQ quest XP it's rather anemic which is one of the reasons why running dungeons outside of leveling roulette feels like a slog IMO.

By chonky, I meant more the fact that the armory bonus is a +100%, so doubles the base XP on anything it applies to; percentage-wise, that's chonky.

But yes, compared to MSQ XP, almost everything feels anemic. The armory bonus (plus anything else you stack) just makes it less anemic.

[LaylaTsarra]

I am glad I didn't buy the 4-person mount for 30 dollars on that server.

A lot of the mounts are account wide. I just wish many of the emotes were given I'd definitely buy a lot more if they were shared. I also wish and this isn't directly related to alt account sharing that they sold separates. I think they'd sell a lot more that way as well if I could buy just the shoes or a skirt and so on.

[Packetdancer]

I am glad I didn't buy the 4-person mount for 30 dollars on that server.

Side note: that particular mount is account-wide.

That said, I am 100% in agreement that at the very least, anything persistent you get from the cash shop -- minions, mounts, orchestrion rolls -- should be account-wide, and that anything which is an actual in-game item rather than an unlock -- e.g. glamour -- should be retrievable from the Calamity Salvager. We can't desynth it for mats, we can't sell it to vendors or trade it away, it's not like we're going to turn that into a 'buy gil from mog station' setup somehow. (Consumables, notably dye, obviously should not be a retrieve-from-Calamity-Salvager situation.)

But you also can't get that glamour back if you lose it. And when the glamour is sold as a set, if you want -- say -- just the pair of gloves for a glamour and so buy that set... if you ever want to potentially use another piece in some future glamour you haven't yet thought up, you need to stuff all the other pieces somewhere. (Glamour dresser, retainer, etc.)

Or else you'll need to re-buy the outfit to get those pieces back.

Artifact gear, stuff like the Garo gear, etc., are retrievable from the Calamity Salvager. I know this is because the system behind the scenes seems to work on checking achievements; your artifact gear is unlocked by the achievement for getting the job to that expansion's level cap, I think the Garo stuff is unlocked by having attained the matching achievement (and thus Makai title) though I've never tested that theory, etc.

And I have no doubt modifying it to pull from something else would be a pain. However, there are rational ways around that without needing to change the system.

For instance, anything that's account-wide is automatically delivered to a new PC you make even right now; periodically the game checks in with the Mogstation and is told if there's anything that needs to be delivered. That's how new purchases arrive, and it's how those account-wide things arrive on a character you made after you purchased it. So instead of delivering the pieces of a glamour kit individually, deliver outfits as a usable "box" that unpacks into the glamour, and which also sets an invisible 0-point achievement on you which unlocks the outfit on the Calamity Salvager, in case you lose pieces of it.

(Yeah, that implementation is annoying and clutters up the overall achievement list on the backend... but there already seem to be invisible achievements used to store other 'unlocked this' state, and the achievement list is designed to be open-ended, so it wouldn't require any redesign of that. The real problem would be retroactively applying the invisible achievement to anyone who already bought the outfit.)

*takes off ex-game-designer / current-systems-engineer-and-architect hat, wanders off again now that mild rant is done*