What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Xirean]

I guess anyone who supports gridania them supports racists, anyone who supports limsa supports piracy and murder, anyone who supports uldah promotes slavery and racism etc etc. Everyone in 14 sucks. We know this.

Wait, who is racist in Gridania? Legit asking; I thought they were the least bad of the big 3.

Twin Adder and Wildwoods and kinda everyone else, especially against Keepers of the Moon and the Duskwights.

I'll have to NewGame+ it. Could you point me to some quests?

[Ayuhra]

Wait, who is racist in Gridania? Legit asking, I thought they were the least bad of the big 3.

Twin Adder and Wildwoods and kinda everyone else, especially against Keepers of the Moon and the Duskwights.

[CrownySuccubus]

I think you're comparing Garleans as a whole to the Garlean military that we have fought against. We can't judge an entire group of people by the few generals that we punched in the face. I'm sure a good number of those citizens would also have liked to punch them in the face.

Fair enough. But the Garlean military is the ruling faction. They are a militant country -- even Solus and Varis both gained support and earned their rule by military prowess. Even if individual Garleans disagree with the military, it ultimately doesn't matter because the military is calling the shots.

It's not, though. Someone isn't supporting murder by joining the Dark Brotherhood in an Elder Scrolls game. They're not supporting incest by rooting for Cersei Lannister in Game of Thrones. Fiction is fiction.

As I said. Supporting it in game means your character supports it. You don't join the Dark Brotherhood to have your character bake cookies. You join it to commit murder, thus supporting the faction's goal of committing murder.

As I already said: this does not mean YOU support it IRL. But the character you are controlling defintely does, within that fictional world.

Something people immerse themselves in temporarily and I daresay the fondly looked upon 'majority' of people don't overanalyse such scenarios to the same degree as those who declare everything to be an 'issue'.

It just sucks out a lot of the fun out of fictional settings as far as I'm concerned. Much like it did when people who played World of Warcraft attacked people for liking the 'wrong' playable races or faction.

The "just turn your brain off" argument doesn't work on a platform that is specifically meant to discuss and criticize. You can't complain about people turning their brains off and enjoying Venat and G'raha Tia as characters and then turn around and say it ruins your fun to think about other stuff.

I guess anyone who supports gridania them supports racists, anyone who supports limsa supports piracy and murder, anyone who supports uldah promotes slavery and racism etc etc. Everyone in 14 sucks. We know this.

None of this is incorrect.

[Ayuhra]

I'll have to NewGame+ it. Could you point me to some quests?

Archer and Lancer have good examples and are mostly about said racism.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Archer and Lancer have good examples and are mostly about said racism.

Never forget the lancer quests where the guild leader straight up doesn’t care one of his duskwight students got brutally killed.

[RedaAlert]

Reads as rather exaggerated to make a point to me, and rather full of sweeping proclamations, if I am honest. Especially that last point. It's simple: the fact that he's liked by a fairly large segment of the playerbase does not mean it's a majority. And that's all there is to it.

First I never said he was loved by the majority, and my guy, hate him if you want I don't care, and if you want to believe all I said was a lie do so, but I am someone who play off facts and logic, and facts don't care much for your personal feelings or wishes, his CGI art that was posted on twitter is literally the most liked tweet that cursed twitter had, what do you expect people's reaction to a character who is affectionate to them?, I am someone that literally don't care whether he is in or out, but he is massively loved, I don't need to offer evidence and stats, this here is a venting forum, people offer their criticism and their dislikes, but this forum is not the only source of information you can get from the fanbase about how they view certain elements of the game.

[Ayuhra]

Never forget the lancer quests where the guild leader straight up doesn’t care one of his duskwight students got brutally killed.

Try doing the Lancer quests AS a Duskwight. It gets awkward.

[Jaquan]

Archer and Lancer have good examples and are mostly about said racism.

Dunno about the latter... Said Duskwight did break the rules of the guild, the issue being he wasn't the only one and his friends used his as a scapegoat. With Moon Keepers the deal is much more complicated since most Moon Cats are in fact Poachers which is a big taboo in Gridania. In fact if not for Calamity that somewhat weakened the Elementals of the Shroud the city would likely be leveled by now by it's angry rulers due to said poaching.

[Ayuhra]

Dunno about the latter... Said Duskwight did break the rules of the guild, the issue being he wasn't the only one and his friends used his as a scapegoat. With Moon Keepers the deal is much more complicated since most Moon Cats are in fact Poachers which is a big taboo in Gridania. In fact if not for Calamity that somewhat weakened the Elementals of the Shroud the city would likely be leveled by now by it's angry rulers due to said poaching.

I know poaching angers the Elementals but there are characters that dislike not just poaching but Moon Keepers in general. The gal in the Archer's guild wasn't a poacher, she was doing her best, but was still treated badly. Foulques broke the rules, but so did others and they used him as a scapegoat BECAUSE he was a Duskwight which is pretty blatantly racist.

[Skyborne]

I miss Foulques and am here for his Calvinball-Dynamis ghost to pop up and call the WoL a craven. What do you mean you didn't blind yourself while fighting Meteion? Ugh, cravie!