What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Theodric]

But, by definition, supporting the Garleans is literally supporting bigotry and genocide (fascism has a lot of different definitions, so it's somewhat debatable), at least within the fictional setting of The Source. Most Garleans were bigoted and genocidal, whether or not they had "sympathetic reasons" for doing it. Most Garleans looked down on every other race (the tolerant ones, like Gabranth and Garus are considered rare exceptions) and they definitely wanted to commit at least cultural genocide (they wanted to impose Garlean rule, atheism, and military doctrine on every single race) and Varis outright states he wants to cause a Rejoining to eliminate the diverse races into one superior race.

Supporting the Garleans doesn't necessarily make you a fascist-supporter IRL, but that is definitely what your character would be in-game.

It's not, though. Someone isn't supporting murder by joining the Dark Brotherhood in an Elder Scrolls game. They're not supporting incest by rooting for Cersei Lannister in Game of Thrones. Fiction is fiction. Something people immerse themselves in temporarily and I daresay the fondly looked upon 'majority' of people don't overanalyse such scenarios to the same degree as those who declare everything to be an 'issue'.

It just sucks out a lot of the fun out of fictional settings as far as I'm concerned. Much like it did when people who played World of Warcraft attacked people for liking the 'wrong' playable races or faction.

[CrownySuccubus]

I think you're comparing Garleans as a whole to the Garlean military that we have fought against. We can't judge an entire group of people by the few generals that we punched in the face. I'm sure a good number of those citizens would also have liked to punch them in the face.

Fair enough. But the Garlean military is the ruling faction. They are a militant country -- even Solus and Varis both gained support and earned their rule by military prowess. Even if individual Garleans disagree with the military, it ultimately doesn't matter because the military is calling the shots.

It's not, though. Someone isn't supporting murder by joining the Dark Brotherhood in an Elder Scrolls game. They're not supporting incest by rooting for Cersei Lannister in Game of Thrones. Fiction is fiction.

As I said. Supporting it in game means your character supports it. You don't join the Dark Brotherhood to have your character bake cookies. You join it to commit murder, thus supporting the faction's goal of committing murder.

As I already said: this does not mean YOU support it IRL. But the character you are controlling defintely does, within that fictional world.

Something people immerse themselves in temporarily and I daresay the fondly looked upon 'majority' of people don't overanalyse such scenarios to the same degree as those who declare everything to be an 'issue'.

It just sucks out a lot of the fun out of fictional settings as far as I'm concerned. Much like it did when people who played World of Warcraft attacked people for liking the 'wrong' playable races or faction.

The "just turn your brain off" argument doesn't work on a platform that is specifically meant to discuss and criticize. You can't complain about people turning their brains off and enjoying Venat and G'raha Tia as characters and then turn around and say it ruins your fun to think about other stuff.

I guess anyone who supports gridania them supports racists, anyone who supports limsa supports piracy and murder, anyone who supports uldah promotes slavery and racism etc etc. Everyone in 14 sucks. We know this.

None of this is incorrect.