Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
I mean we had a cutscene with Venat where bascially a group of Ancients talked to Zodiark, wanting the old days back where they knew nothing but bliss. Its in their own words. It does not mean that all Ancients never suffered from anything but never in a way that they had in that moment.
The same cutscene that isn't meant to be taken at face value as an authentic retelling of the events? That conveniently made a caricature of those in opposition to some strange, incredibly unhinged woman standing by idly and allowing the apocalypse to occur only to then go on and slaughter the survivors with a cruel act of genocide because they didn't react the way she wanted to something she refused to explain?

I know it might be a shocking revelation for some, but nobody is obligated to just roll over and die for whoever sheds some tears or bats their eyelids in their direction. That goes for the Sundered as much as the Unsundered as well as humanity as it exists in our world.

We already know that the Scions wouldn't just allow the destruction of Ishgard or Limsa Lominsa in order to prove a point. They didn't even allow such a fate to befall Garlemald despite being bitter enemies - so with that in mind, the way in which Venat is handled is just straight up bizarre.

Though one needs only look at World of Warcraft to see that Venat is given similar treatment to Sylvanas. The only real difference is that the development team here actually allowed Venat to not only die but have no possibility of being reborn rather than come up with a contrived reason to keep her around.

I have to give them credit for that much, at least. It strikes me as a fitting end for such a character. It was a beautiful moment.

Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
Just give up. They've been having this argument for months with exactly these same terrible tactics, making en echo chamber by driving away everyone else.
Huh? That's revisionism. Anyone who spoke up in favour of the Garleans or the Ascians was actively driven away from this place for almost a decade - as any honest long term poster can attest. To the point of being called 'genocide supporters', sent death threats, told they 'didn't understand the lore' when they provided lore sources. Then, mysteriously, when there's the slightest bit of doubt cast in Venat's direction all hell breaks loose.