Rescue Needs to GO

[Grimoire-M]

Then don't rescue them at all, a single player dying isn't going to cause a wipe outside of Savage or certain Extreme fights. You don't need to be able to micromanage other players, they aren't there for you to boss around or place however you feel like they should stand.

Healer’s job is to keep people alive first. Micromanagement is an inherent part of the role due to the focus on multiple resources. You just don’t like it when it applies to more than your HP bar. Sometimes putting someone in the right spot does that for less cost than a res. Most times that mana matters.

I’ve saved more runs stopping a bad DPS from taking the stack marker away from the party and negating knockbacks than I can count. I’ve troll rescued four times total. All of them were DPS who instapulled as the main tank was typing out mechanics for the group.

[VerdeLuck]

I’ve troll rescued

I see now why you're so determined for it to stay in the game and not have the ability for people to say no to it or not be pulled if they don't want to be.

[ASkellington]

I see now why you're so determined for it to stay in the game and not have the ability for people to say no to it or not be pulled if they don't want to be.

The reason why people want it to stay in the game has less to do with trolling people and more because its one of the few tools healers have that actually takes thought to use.

And yes, before you type up an AsKsuALLY it does take some skill to use Rescue properly. It LAGS. I even said in my post it does. Time it wrong the idiot who stood in red is still going to get hit.

I've already given you examples how Rescue can be used as is intended. We already explained why it CANNOT have an opt out. And no one wants ANOTHER tool from healers to be removed because of X reason.

[VerdeLuck]

The reason why people want it to stay in the game has less to do with trolling people and more because its one of the few tools healers have that actually takes thought to use.

And yes, before you type up an AsKsuALLY it does take some skill to use Rescue properly. It LAGS. I even said in my post it does. Time it wrong the idiot who stood in red is still going to get hit.

I've already given you examples how Rescue can be used as is intended. We already explained why it CANNOT have an opt out. And no one wants ANOTHER tool from healers to be removed because of X reason.

It absolutely can have an opt out, if everyone would opt out of being moved by a random healer if it were offered, doesn't that say something about the skill? That it's really not needed or fun except for the person who's using it?
It's not fun to have control taken away from you, especially when it's taken away by another player and the decision is made entirely by someone else with no input by yourself.
If you were to have a toggle it would still let you use it in premade groups if you wanted to for that value, that would still be there. You just wouldn't be able to decide and micromanage where other people can stand.

And it's not like it even matters if someone messes up and dies, that's part of the game, that's how you learn to play. Besides the fact that everyone stands in mechanics and dies a few times learning, nothing in the game outside of Extreme and Savage content actually punishes the entire group for one player failing, all it does is kill the player who failed the mechanic. the level of micromanaging and trying to boss other players around just seems entirely unneeded. Let them play their own characters man, you don't have to be a control freak and make them do exactly what you want.

[ASkellington]

It absolutely can have an opt out, if everyone would opt out of being moved by a random healer if it were offered, doesn't that say something about the skill? That it's really not needed or fun except for the person who's using it?

This falls apart in two situations:

1. The person in question opting out. I Rescue them because they're greeding and I have a better sense of timing than they do. They take unnecessary damage that could have been avoided.
2. The new person to a dungeon opts out and thus I cannot Rescue them out of the bad and again takes unnecessary damage.

THE WHOLE POINT OF THE HEALING ROLE IS TO PREVENT AND HEAL DAMAGE. Why would you remove a skill that aids us in doing so?

It's not fun to have control taken away from you, especially when it's taken away by another player and the decision is made entirely by someone else with no input by yourself.

Hello to my problem with stack markers when I have people running away from me. What? Are we going to remove them too? Or MAYBE I can use RESCUE to move them TO ME.

If you were to have a toggle it would still let you use it in premade groups if you wanted to for that value, that would still be there. You just wouldn't be able to decide and micromanage where other people can stand.

If it were made a toggle as we've said REPEATEDLY it makes Rescue a dead skill like Repose. NO.

And it's not like it even matters if someone messes up and dies, that's part of the game, that's how you learn to play. Besides the fact that everyone stands in mechanics and dies a few times learning, nothing in the game outside of Extreme and Savage content actually punishes the entire group for one player failing, all it does is kill the player who failed the mechanic. the level of micromanaging and trying to boss other players around just seems entirely unneeded. Let them play their own characters man, you don't have to be a control freak and make them do exactly what you want.

The same can be said of Rescue. I mess up the timing of Rescue to save you and you die. Oh well. I tried to do my job.

[Kabooa]

We already explained why it CANNOT have an opt out.

https://youtu.be/Sv95nBi7ulQ?t=74

An opt out punishes the target for a bad play but it was their choice to misuse it.

[Grimoire-M]

I see now why you're so determined for it to stay in the game and not have the ability for people to say no to it or not be pulled if they don't want to be.

Yeah, I too want to clear fights and not have to pry your corpse off the floor.

You're mad because we're right. If you want to get the skill gone, be the change you want to see in the world and start Troll Rescuing people on cooldown. You'll see who gets removed first.

In the meantime, I'll be using Shukuchi and Shadeshift to prevent my greedy ass from wiping my static's last week of reclears while getting rescued out of LB3 every single fight. Because unlike you, I am capable of recognizing who's fallible when shit hits the fan, and appreciating the humor and effort of those who fix it.

[VerdeLuck]

Yeah, I too want to clear fights and not have to pry your corpse off the floor.

You're mad because we're right. If you want to get the skill gone, be the change you want to see in the world and start Troll Rescuing people on cooldown. You'll see who gets removed first.

In the meantime, I'll be using Shukuchi and Shadeshift to prevent my greedy ass from wiping my static's last week of reclears while getting rescued out of LB3 every single fight. Because unlike you, I am capable of recognizing who's fallible when shit hits the fan, and appreciating the humor and effort of those who fix it.

I still stand by my points that it does more harm than good when allowed to be used to troll random players for a laugh. A toggle to allow it to only be used on you by your friends or FC members would be greatly appreciated and I hope the devs add something similar. Other games such as Dota 2 have added "disable help" options to let players decide if they want to open themselves up to players using abilities that may take control from them and open themselves up to abuse.
I think it's a great idea personally and it doesn't really have a downside in my opinion. You can still do your strats with your static, and I don't have to be pulled into the Ancient Flare cast in Labyrinth by someone who saw a video and thinks it's funny.

There's absolutely no downside unless you really want to troll other people with it or are concerned with controlling other players' characters in casual content.
If people are turning it off because they don't want to be rescued then that really speaks volumes about the skill and what people want from it.

[ty_taurus]

I see now why you're so determined for it to stay in the game and not have the ability for people to say no to it or not be pulled if they don't want to be.

But how come I don't get a say in whether or not we wipe due to your mess up?

[VerdeLuck]

But how come I don't get a say in whether or not we wipe due to your mess up?

Content outside of Extremes, Savage, and Ultimates don't result in a wipe if one player fails. At the worst one player dies, and there's no enrage to risk not making either.