Handling Cheaters Gracefully vs Hardline ToS + Questionable legality of bans

[StealthPaladin]

Kupo they should just have a board in town that shames all the 'proven' cheaters. jk <3 kupo

Haha, I'm all for it. Any shift to in-game punishment I think would relieve the risks of enforcement. Make a Jury Duty roulette quest lol

I guess i am the only person that hopes they take a hard stance against Cheats/Addons/Mods.

I suffered my way up to Crystal by not giving up and improving myself in the given environments. All i achieved is now worthless cause people will just assume im another cheater.

you don't handle cheaters gracefully.
You deal with them decisively.

I can sympathize with WANTING this but I beg you to understand the balance of enforcement with accepting money from accounts. Also if there is no gradient in consqequences, often the result is not very effective.

A.. B.. B1.. B2.. C.. D.. E

A First, it does not matter that I've agreed. I'm not debating that I will follow it lol. This is feedback about the IDEAL ToS. Not the CURRENT ToS.

B, B1, B2
I haven't said SE had any legal requirement to provide free speech. I'm not talking about free speech legislation. Speech is involved because of simplifying the rules to effects on others' gameplay. That is pragmatic because of the logistics required to support it. Support staff is already hard pressed, and greater enforcement makes that worse.

C D and E made the same mistake as A

{bla bla bla, sanctimonious assumptions, bla bla bla} 'major line you click agree on in every single EULA:'.. {bla bla bla bla}

Ok well, ignoring your exceedingly rude act of bringing forth character attacks in a conversation about feedback, no that line is not a solution to these problems. Neither is the line about character ownership. The courts find such terms unenforceable and anti-consumer practices

Recent cases law on loot boxes show courts here in the US do not care about an MMO's ToS on the matter. They rule that the platform is selling a digital asset - either the asset is the character or ACCESS TO the character. This is totally different than anything social media faces. If a company sells a product and also sells a service that product REQUIRES then the company has very strict requirements imposed on it by the FTC and SEC both. Right now SE doesn't have to worry because enforcement is low -- if that changes, so does the risk

Plus, a class action suit does NOT need to WIN the case. They only need to not get thrown out of court to cost the team MILLIONS, likely tens of millions in settlement and legal fees. That money will go TO THE MALICIOUS PLUGIN DEVS who buy throwaway accounts and amass huge financial damages.


If no line is drawn for "good addons" everyone will have to stop using even things like Discord, or risk ban

If ToS is not simplified to focus on that line being drawn according to your impact on the value of others' product/service, and somewhat lenient -- it will be very difficult for SE to enforce and support

If ToS does not tell players, hey it is against the rules to generally report things that are not affecting their achievements, gameplay results, money etc then it is again hard on support and weakens their position against disgruntled customers

If ToS DOES change to draw this line, WITH a shift to in-game penalties, and especially if SDK/API is enabled -- SE gains maximum control for minimal cost

Finally, to your snarky snark miss lady, no I am not making any addons now. I would sure not talk about it on my only account that's been around since beta lol. I just WANT to. I talk about it NOW because the drama means there is a change in risk.