Rescue Needs to GO

[Semirhage]

I ran World of Darkness back when it came out and went through a run where a guy trolled the whole raid with threat bouncing on the first boss.

It was hilarious. "Not funny", Jesus, the churchladies on this forum sometimes. NO! I play this game to have the exact same boring roulette experience every day! Don't you dare disrupt my bland dungeon run with two GCDs of your shenanigans! Are you aware that I'll have to spend a tenth of a gil repairing the damage you did to my gear over that!?

[ty_taurus]

I ran World of Darkness back when it came out and went through a run where a guy trolled the whole raid with threat bouncing on the first boss.

It was hilarious. "Not funny", Jesus, the churchladies on this forum sometimes. NO! I play this game to have the exact same boring roulette experience every day! Don't you dare disrupt my bland dungeon run with two GCDs of your shenanigans! Are you aware that I'll have to spend a tenth of a gil repairing the damage you did to my gear over that!?

That's similar how I feel when people complain about how DPS buttons cause healers to tunnel vision in dungeons. You'd think with how often people complain about that worry that HW was some disasterfest worse than 1.0 where no one was able to get their roulettes done because healers ignoring healing to DPS more was some kind of world-wide epidemic threatening to end FFXIV as players were leaving left and right in frustration at their inability to clear any content. Except no, that didn't happen. You made your way through dungeons perfectly fine, Susan. You wiped 6 times in 2 years and your healer responded "sorry, I double-tapped Cleric Stance. My bad."

[QooEr]

That's similar how I feel when people complain about how DPS buttons cause healers to tunnel vision in dungeons. You'd think with how often people complain about that worry that HW was some disasterfest worse than 1.0 where no one was able to get their roulettes done because healers ignoring healing to DPS more was some kind of world-wide epidemic threatening to end FFXIV as players were leaving left and right in frustration at their inability to clear any content. Except no, that didn't happen. You made your way through dungeons perfectly fine, Susan. You wiped 6 times in 2 years and your healer responded "sorry, I double-tapped Cleric Stance. My bad."

in my experience it wasnt even cleric stance or dps or whatever. more often than not it was litearlly "i SWEAR benediction went on cooldown!!!"

[ZedxKayn]

Rescue could be good- in niche raid use. I've probably only been rescued well once or twice in DF, anything other than that felt absolutely terrible, I wish I wouldn't have to press arm's length at predictable rescue mechanics, yet here I am.
Getting close to hitting that super satisfying perfect greed only to have it ruined by a rescue does in fact impact the enjoyment of a given run and I don't know why people are trying to underplay that.

It should be either opt in/out or removed.

[ty_taurus]

Honestly, Rescue is one of my favorite more unique forms of healer utility that still remains. The biggest problem I have is it's incredibly hard to use in Savage because most areas where people are prone to making mistakes typically require positioning that I can't do anything about without sprinting to where they need to be then back to where I need to be. Often times I can see someone's out of position, but Rescue isn't going to fix that.

[Grimoire-M]

Getting close to hitting that super satisfying perfect greed only to have it ruined by a rescue does in fact impact the enjoyment of a given run and I don't know why people are trying to underplay that.

As someone who's been on both sides of this, I'd rather not waste the res mana. If I happened to fuck up, and I'm not gonna get mad at the healer for doing it. I get the desire to greed, but own the fact you're being a shit when you do it if you know how to be safe.


However, if you're someone who's Arm's Lengthing Rescue for your own greed instead of fucking with your friends in a game of AoE puddle chicken (the only time it's appropriate), then the only reason the healer's not just dragging you into the wall later on is because the rest of the raid's on the floor. And if you die because of it you're not getting ressed anytime soon, and it is because you were being a dumbass.

Greeding is earned through experience. Do the mechanics right first and play the risks AFTER you're certain it'll work. It takes some people much longer to get to that point than you realize, and Healers tend to err on the side of caution because this game's netcode in regards to rescue is not particularly lenient, something you could have read in the first page of this thread.

[ZedxKayn]

As someone who's been on both sides of this, I'd rather not waste the res mana. If I happened to fuck up, and I'm not gonna get mad at the healer for doing it. I get the desire to greed, but own the fact you're being a shit when you do it if you know how to be safe.


However, if you're someone who's Arm's Lengthing Rescue for your own greed instead of fucking with your friends in a game of AoE puddle chicken (the only time it's appropriate), then the only reason the healer's not just dragging you into the wall later on is because the rest of the raid's on the floor. And if you die because of it you're not getting ressed anytime soon, and it is because you were being a dumbass.

Greeding is earned through experience. Do the mechanics right first and play the risks AFTER you're certain it'll work. It takes some people much longer to get to that point than you realize, and Healers tend to err on the side of caution because this game's netcode in regards to rescue is not particularly lenient, something you could have read in the first page of this thread.

I know my greed will work, that's the point, I've got hundreds of hours on harder content and thousands in casual content, I know what I'm doing, infinitely moreso than the average DF healers. I don't want to be rescued because the times the rescues are beneficial are extremely rare exceptions.

If there's 5 seconds left on the boss's castbar and I've been very visibly slidecasting to the safe spot, if I've popped all my personal mitigation and am still sitting on second wind/bloodbath for after the ouchies, or if I'm standing right in front of the rock that's barely out of melee range to land my last GCD, I know what I'm doing and getting rescued feels awful.

[MiaShino]

Rescue is one of most powerful and versatile tools in healer arsenal if properly used. Have seen many many rescues most fantastic!

Crystal tower orb mechanic not being resolved correctly? Not a problem just use rescue!

Running away with the stack marker? Welp! Rescue.

Positioning all wrong and need that dps to be where you are while you should be where they are to resolve mechanic? Icarus + Rescue to change places.

Doom needs a cleansing? Rescue that person through the cleanse pad.

Have utilized Rescue to convey mechanics too when we were doing Twintania dive bombs. Not much time to type that you need them to go from A to B and not be center arena right now because we are about to be walled. I used Rescue and jumping, they did the mechanic correctly every single time after.

If you are only using the Rescue to move someone from the stoopid you are vastly underestimating that skills sheer versatility. Please do not advocate for the removal of even more unique healer utility. More skills like expedient and rescue and fewer make the hp bar go up buttons please!

[Grimoire-M]

I know my greed will work, that's the point, I've got hundreds of hours on harder content and thousands in casual content, I know what I'm doing, infinitely moreso than the average DF healers. I don't want to be rescued because the times the rescues are beneficial are extremely rare exceptions.

If there's 5 seconds left on the boss's castbar and I've been very visibly slidecasting to the safe spot, if I've popped all my personal mitigation and am still sitting on second wind/bloodbath for after the ouchies, or if I'm standing right in front of the rock that's barely out of melee range to land my last GCD, I know what I'm doing and getting rescued feels awful.

And the healer rescuing you doesn't give a damn for a lot of more important reasons, the first and foremost being it's a casual roulette with pugs who, statistically speaking, eat shit in the spots you're doing that in. They're gonna do what's right from their perspective. Doesn't matter what 'your experience' is. Their job is to keep everyone alive, not just you, and sometimes that Rescue is correct in general in spite of how you 'feel' about it. You can adjust to that by simply telling them you're gonna be greedy during the run ahead of time. Your lack of communication is also a factor in this. But, frankly speaking, your 'uptime' isn't that important in those contexts. It's not their job to make your meaningless normal parse good. But if we pretend this is a common occurrence for you, then, frankly, play better. It IS your job to move into the safe spot in a safe and consistent manner. And you can do that in normal mode without sacrificing any of your precious uptime on every single job. I've done it on every role. It's not hard.

I broke ten thousand hours an expansion ago. Git good. Starting by having some empathy for the literal strangers around you in those pugs.

[ZedxKayn]

And the healer rescuing you doesn't give a damn for a lot of more important reasons, the first and foremost being it's a casual roulette with pugs who, statistically speaking, eat shit in the spots you're doing that in. They're gonna do what's right from their perspective. Doesn't matter what 'your experience' is. Their job is to keep everyone alive, not just you, and sometimes that Rescue is correct in general in spite of how you 'feel' about it. You can adjust to that by simply telling them you're gonna be greedy during the run ahead of time. Your lack of communication is also a factor in this. But, frankly speaking, your 'uptime' isn't that important in those contexts. It's not their job to make your meaningless normal parse good. But if we pretend this is a common occurrence for you, then, frankly, play better. It IS your job to move into the safe spot in a safe and consistent manner. And you can do that in normal mode without sacrificing any of your precious uptime on every single job. I've done it on every role. It's not hard.

I broke ten thousand hours an expansion ago. Git good. Starting by having some empathy for the literal strangers around you in those pugs.

I don't care about my normal mode parse. But getting uptime is fun. Greeding is fun, I enjoy it, and I don't like having a skill in the game that I cannot opt out of that could potentially reduce my enjoyment of the duty rather than enhance it 99% of the time.
I'm not even calling for the removal of rescue, I wish it would be opt out rather than having to deal with it.

Cool ad hominems though, makes your side of the argument look great.