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  1. #451
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    Toutatis's Avatar
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    Asking to find the husband of a guy is not the sexualization of a game nor is finding the wife. Attributing an orientation to the guy, straight or gay, is sexualizing the guy in the broader meaning of the word, not the game and it’s not pejorative or negative, it is a neutral term to describe a situation. SE did not give an orientation to many npcs and people can make their own stories.
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  2. #452
    Player Hurlstone's Avatar
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    Valamist Hurlstone
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    There are a lot of "relationships aren't a part of the story or quests" posts but aren't there a load of side quests where you're helping someone find their husband/wife or something like that where it is very clear that two heterosexual people are in a relationship. Also do we not remember Dulia-Chai and Chai-Nuzz, who are very clearly in a relationship and a prominent part of the ShB story. So yes there are lots of instances of heterosexual couples everyone just doesn't notice it because its so "normal".
    I feel that finding/helping a characters significant other its almost as common as ‘fetch’ quests in MMOs (May Mankrik's Wife forever live on in WoW lore...) Plus in regards to main characters we have the wonderful Chi’s as you say, plus Y'shtola/Runar, Moenbryda/Urianger, Thancred being known as a ‘ladies man’ in ARR, Wedge and his crush on Tataru etc. I get that such things are in no way the main part of the game, but it is still present is some forms, and whilst in not in anway a necessity, it can be a worthy aspect of character development and storytelling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toutatis View Post
    Asking to find the husband of a guy is not the sexualization of a game nor is finding the wife. Attributing an orientation to the guy, straight or gay, is sexualizing the guy in the broader meaning of the word, not the game and it’s not pejorative or negative, it is a neutral term to describe a situation. SE did not give an orientation to many npcs and people can make their own stories.
    To be fair the former is what most people are asking for, not the latter. Sexulisation is in the game no doubt, but in this case it has nothing to do with character writing or NPC relationships and more, well, I will gesture to the creative use of Adventure Plates and Glam gears!
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    Last edited by Hurlstone; 04-20-2022 at 05:47 AM.

  3. #453
    Player Caurcas's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    So every character to has a husband/wife is sexual? Is the valentines day just a big pron fest? Over sexualized? Why is straight not sexualized, but anything else is?
    Romantic relationships are inherently sexual relationships. That's why it creeps some (most) people out when the romantic camp pushes their point. Also a platonic relationship is a far more interesting one, as it is devoid of sexual connotation.
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  4. #454
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurlstone View Post
    I feel that finding/helping a characters significant other its almost as common as ‘fetch’ quests in MMOs (May Mankrik's Wife forever live on in WoW lore...) Plus in regards to main characters we have the wonderful Chi’s as you say, plus Y'shtola/Runar, Moenbryda/Urianger, Thancred being known as a ‘ladies man’ in ARR, Wedge and his crush on Tataru etc. I get that such things are in no way the main part of the game, but it is still present is some forms, and whilst in not in anway a necessity, it can be a worthy aspect of character development and storytelling.
    I've mentioned all of this already and they either ignored it or said "nobody likes him".
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  5. #455
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    Oldschoolegamer38's Avatar
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    Fultorn Kilnson
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123 View Post
    FF14 is a wonderful game. It's beautiful, the gameplay is fluid, the lore rich, and the graphics stunning, especially in the Azim Steppe.

    Part of the reason why it's so wonderful is because it is possible to fully immerse yourself in this game. Characters all have a backstory, many NPCs are fleshed out, have their own personality, and you really feel like Eorzea is a place you can live in.

    However, the lack of representation of LGBT characters in this game is frustrating for a billion-dollar video gaming company. While I applaud SE for allowing the Eternal Bonding to take place between two people of the same gender, there is not much else in this game that represents LGBT characters, other than a token gay couple in Upper La Noscea.

    Some people will also bring up characters like Alphinaud (weird) or Haurchefant, and say they're "WOL-sexual". But you know that they're not actually designed as gay characters. They just happened to be perceived as LGBT because of the fandom.

    Many other RPGs are already fully embracing the need to represent minorities in their game, because minority representation is an important issue that affects the psychological development of minority youth.

    I hope to see Square Enix do more to represent LGBT characters in their game, because by doing so they'll let LGBT youth feel like they have a place in Eorzea and feel welcomed.

    I know some people will think I'm joking, but I'm not. As a LGBT PoC myself, I am deeply invested in this issue.
    There is more than enough. Your using it as a tool to push folks that are not LGBT out!!!
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    So fresh it'll smack yo momma!!!

  6. #456
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    Stop feeding into the bs people. Folks are trying to start a straight vs lgbt+ war here
    I agree this has to stop folks just want to play the game and not deal with this BS, but the nutjobs that are pushing this don't want to until SE tell them to stop or they get a slap on the wrist!!!
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    So fresh it'll smack yo momma!!!

  7. #457
    Player deadman1204's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caurcas View Post
    Romantic relationships are inherently sexual relationships. That's why it creeps some (most) people out when the romantic camp pushes their point. Also a platonic relationship is a far more interesting one, as it is devoid of sexual connotation.
    Yet by your logic, a platonic same sex relationship is LITERALLY impossible, because any reference to them being non-straight is sexualization. Yet if they just happen to be man and women, its just ok?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38 View Post
    There is more than enough. Your using it as a tool to push folks that are not LGBT out!!!
    Does playing the victim make you feel better? Cause it sure provides us with a chuckle
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    Last edited by deadman1204; 04-20-2022 at 05:59 AM.

  8. #458
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    and that is a reportable
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    So fresh it'll smack yo momma!!!

  9. #459
    Player Caurcas's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    Yet by your logic, a platonic same sex relationship is LITERALLY impossible, because any reference to them being non-straight is sexualization. Yet if they just happen to be man and women, its just ok?
    No, a platonic relationship between two people of the same sex or opposite sex is just called being friends to normal people.
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  10. #460
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38 View Post
    There is more than enough. Your using it as a tool to push folks that are not LGBT out!!!
    What do you mean pushing none LGBTQ folks out? Are you trying to say that witnessing story lines that aren't centered around you and your life experience make you feel...... excluded. That cant be right, because wanting to feel apart of something is just an excuse. At least that's what I'M hearing on here.
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