Frustrating relative lack of LGBT NPCs in this game

[Colt47]

Amazing how we filled 40 pages in 2 days with soo many furious about the idea of adding like a single side quest somewhere in the game. Soo much hate from soo many people here (ignoring the outright trolls too).

People are against putting false messages in game. When it comes to introducing a character with a trait, it's not about the trait, it's about giving a character an identity. Also, there are many people in the world who falsely believe in the existence of communities existing for people with particular traits and want to flaunt them for the sake of a sense of belonging. People talk about things like LGBT to show recognition and respect that there are people with that trait in the world, but it doesn't mean that it is a social norm or something that will ever be a social norm, nor does it infer that there is a community that exists outside of reddit or social media.

[Fukuro]

Are you part of my community? aka do you benefit my life in any way, would it be inconvenient if you were gone? If the answer is yes then I would respect you. If the answer is no then I wouldn't cry if something happens to you.

So edgy, I‘m almost cringing.

[localareanetwork]

.... have you SEEN the way people dress themselves in this game?

Knowing someone likes their same sex isn't sexualizing them, especially not when I can get into a dungeon and my tank is some cat girl in a bikini top and 2B panties. I think you're conflating sexuality with sexualization.

Player character isn't the same as story character. The OP wants this for characters like the Scions or someone else from the story. And even then, forcing a story character's personality to be "hey I'm gay" doesn't make them interesting. It almost always just comes off as cringe and forced for the sake of pandering.

[Hurlstone]

Otherwise I already made my point about this... 13 pages before or so, so I'm not going to bother repeating myself. Packetdance also made a very good point. When creatings character, minor aspects such as sexual orientation or race should be taken into consideration AFTER the character's foundations are built, not used as the foundation themselves.

Very true, although sometimes I do not think its wrong to use such a aspect as a starting block. For example, if you are writing a story and feel it needs more female characters, or male characters, or big muscular barbarian red-haired women, its not wrong to start with the basis of "Right this character is going to be male/female/gay/Jewish ect". This is especially true if said story is set in a world where these apparent minor aspects will heavily impact how they are treated/the story. The important thing is that by the end they are a mixture of flaws, feelings, contradictions and charms that make well-rounded characters enjoyable.

I really do not see where people get the idea that we want their LGBTQ+ness to be the only trait. That boring. Its like having a character who just has a hat and does nothing else by say ‘Hi. I have a hat.’ At least make them a serial killer or something…

[dsgawwewerfw]

who bumped the two years old troll thread

[Venjamin]

People are against putting false messages in game. When it comes to introducing a character with a trait, it's not about the trait, it's about giving a character an identity. Also, there are many people in the world who falsely believe in the existence of communities existing for people with particular traits and want to flaunt them for the sake of a sense of belonging. People talk about things like LGBT to show recognition and respect that there are people with that trait in the world, but it doesn't mean that it is a social norm or something that will ever be a social norm, nor does it infer that there is a community that exists outside of reddit or social media.

Just FYI, LGBTQ+ people are part of the social norm. You may have missed the memo. It has nothing to do with 'flaunting' anything. Acknowledging our existence makes for an easy way to make a world more palpable to the masses.

No one has yet to tell me what exactly they want this LGBT character to do or say.
Anyone in this game could be LGBT but they don't go screaming it in everyone's faces.
No one even in real life goes, "HELLO I'M GAY." So what do you want them to do so we know?
I'm actually being serious with the question...but then again no one cares about what sexuality you are.
I'm very sorry to break news. Just RP what you wanna do lmao.

I can give you a pretty simplistic answer, as others have in the thread. LGBTQ+ npcs just hanging out. A side quest where you have to go find a guy's missing husband, instead of his missing wife.

Gaia or Ryne openly asking the other out on an actual date, rather than what people assume are dates if you want to do something in the main cast that there's been potential build up to, though IMO, "build up" isn't always necessary. Oh, and not having anyone act like that's out of the ordinary - bonus, as it means homophobia is not a part of the XIV world.

A flashback of a character with a visibly different-gender model. (Trickier to do in a medium like this, there might be technical limitations involved, but it's a simplistic way to go about covering a trans character without going full ME: Andromeda on us.)

Then that aspect is confirmed, NOT a main focus of the character, etc. They did it with Soldier 76 and didn't have anything like him going "I'M GAY" or making his ultimate fire rainbows at people. Just a bit of media acknowledging a past relationship, how relationships are hard for members of Overwatch, and then it moved on. And yet the BACKLASH was as though he'd done Pride Poledancing in front of the whole world. People said a lot of the same "It's being forced!" nonsense.

[Soge01]

[MagicalChase]

Just FYI, LGBTQ+ people are part of the social norm. You may have missed the memo. It has nothing to do with 'flaunting' anything. Acknowledging our existence makes for an easy way to make a world more palpable to the masses.



I can give you a pretty simplistic answer, as others have in the thread. LGBTQ+ npcs just hanging out. A side quest where you have to go find a guy's missing husband, instead of his missing wife.

Gaia or Ryne openly asking the other out on an actual date, rather than what people assume are dates if you want to do something in the main cast that there's been potential build up to, though IMO, "build up" isn't always necessary. Oh, and not having anyone act like that's out of the ordinary - bonus, as it means homophobia is not a part of the XIV world.

A flashback of a character with a visibly different-gender model. (Trickier to do in a medium like this, there might be technical limitations involved, but it's a simplistic way to go about covering a trans character without going full ME: Andromeda on us.)

Then that aspect is confirmed, NOT a main focus of the character, etc. They did it with Soldier 76 and didn't have anything like him going "I'M GAY" or making his ultimate fire rainbows at people. Just a bit of media acknowledging a past relationship, how relationships are hard for members of Overwatch, and then it moved on. And yet the BACKLASH was as though he'd done Pride Poledancing in front of the whole world. People said a lot of the same "It's being forced!" nonsense.

These ideas are simple and honestly it’s surprising they haven’t done something like this already

[Theodric]

These ideas are simple and honestly it’s surprising they haven’t done something like this already

They have. Multiple times. As has been pointed out during the thread itself, no less.

[Lauront]

So edgy, I‘m almost cringing.

Completely unrelated to your post, but that's an S rank bunny in your sig! Very nice design.