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    I mean how do we even know not every second NPC we talk with is not LGBT+? Honestly are they meant to mention it in every sentence?

    "Oh thank you for bringing me that book my dear, I'm gay by the way."
    "I have another request though, could you go and fetch me a potion from the alchemist? Did I mention that I'm gay?"

    Is that what people want? There is no need to represent it so hard just because people on the internet like to live it out that way. It would actually be immersion breaking.

    Other than that there are plenty npcs that show affection to the WoL regardless of the gender so you can view them like you want. There is no canon that sets in stone that they are straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atreides View Post
    I mean how do we even know not every second NPC we talk with is not LGBT+? Honestly are they meant to mention it in every sentence?

    "Oh thank you for bringing me that book my dear, I'm gay by the way."
    "I have another request though, could you go and fetch me a potion from the alchemist? Did I mention that I'm gay?"

    Is that what people want?
    Not at all. Here's a very quick and easy rewrite so you can better understand what is being asked for.

    "Oh thank you for bringing me that book my dear, my husband, Dillion, is a big fan of it, but I've never read it personally."

    "I have another request though, could you go and fetch me a potion from the alchemist? Dillion is feeling under the weather, and I hope a salve might soothe his aches and pains."

    You see how now, the dialogue just resembles any sidequest that might be done to help out any couple? Indeed, you wouldn't even know it was "gay" dialogue until you saw it being spoken by a male npc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atreides View Post
    I mean how do we even know not every second NPC we talk with is not LGBT+? Honestly are they meant to mention it in every sentence?

    "Oh thank you for bringing me that book my dear, I'm gay by the way."
    "I have another request though, could you go and fetch me a potion from the alchemist? Did I mention that I'm gay?"

    Is that what people want? There is no need to represent it so hard just because people on the internet like to live it out that way. It would actually be immersion breaking.
    Oh wow, I was just reminded of Doctor Who when Bill was a companion. Not a single episode with her where she did not have to remind everyone and everything that she is a black lesbian. It detracts so much from literally everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotaname1 View Post
    Oh wow, I was just reminded of Doctor Who when Bill was a companion. Not a single episode with her where she did not have to remind everyone and everything that she is a black lesbian. It detracts so much from literally everything.
    I'd argue that has more to do with episodic storytelling than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotaname1 View Post
    Oh wow, I was just reminded of Doctor Who when Bill was a companion. Not a single episode with her where she did not have to remind everyone and everything that she is a black lesbian. It detracts so much from literally everything.
    I liked Bill, she had a lot of nice moments and it was nice to have another companion that is not in love with the Dr. My fave companion was Donna <3 SPACE MAN *scoffs*
    It's been a long time since I watched the episodes with Bill, but I never got the feeling that she was 'reminding' me about anything. There was just sometimes banter with her and the doctor where being a lesbian was part of where the humour came from.
    I fell off watching after Capaldi was swapped out. I didn't like having so many companions and the story was pretty meh. Shame cuz I was hyped to see a female Dr. I freakin LOVE Missy though. More of her please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver View Post
    I liked Bill, she had a lot of nice moments and it was nice to have another companion that is not in love with the Dr. My fave companion was Donna <3 SPACE MAN *scoffs*
    It's been a long time since I watched the episodes with Bill, but I never got the feeling that she was 'reminding' me about anything. There was just sometimes banter with her and the doctor where being a lesbian was part of where the humour came from.
    I fell off watching after Capaldi was swapped out. I didn't like having so many companions and the story was pretty meh. Shame cuz I was hyped to see a female Dr. I freakin LOVE Missy though. More of her please.
    Pond!
    Oh, Hi Clara.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dapperfaffer View Post
    Pond!
    Oh, Hi Clara.
    Omg I haaated Clara cause I was so salty Pond was gone xD Took me the entire season to warm up to her and even then she pales in comparison to the Ponds.
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    Having read through most of this thread, I'm a little confused. I mean, I'm all for LGBT representation - I really am. But the game as a whole doesn't really touch on relationships in general in terms of the MSQ. I guess Moenbyrda and Urianger, possibly - although that was very brief and off-screen. The Twins parents and Moenbyrda's parents being another few, rare, examples.

    However, in terms of the OP, I'd actually say that might be a foundation in the idea that Gaia and Ryne might have romantic feelings for each other and the official art of them has them holding hands, so the subtext is there at least.

    (may have already been addressed, but I'd rather not go through ever page of this already-long thread to check!)

    But on the whole relationships in general seem to be something the game's story side-steps.
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    Amusing to see any attempt to joke or bring an argument being labeled as *phobia.
    Wouldn't that qualify as a snowflake behavior?
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    They don't realize it's often them that create the perfect conditions for people to hate on them. Call me however you prefer, but it only goes to show how little you care about language when you hurl insults at people and attach labels to them.

    Then again, first it was acceptance now it's call me these specific words or get lost. There's a way to make interactions easier between people or make it so complicated it's not worth talking to each other at all.
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