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  1. #1071
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    I love how both of you just pretend I said "just the right wing". There is a lot more capital behind right wing politics however because the people and corporations with tons of money profit more of them. Capitalism has always favored right wing policies.
    1. I didn't claim that you said 'just' the right wing, I expanded upon your comment.
    2. Your first and second sentence are at odds with each other "I didn't say it was so. But it is so." lol

    "Only" about 65% of lobbying goes to right wing anymore. If we were about 20-25 years ago you'd be right, but we're not. Corporations learned that it's really easy to get the left on their side, just update their Twitter avatar every June and virtue signal. I can't believe the "right wing" is the one AGAINST corporations in the US.

    Edit: Preemptive (maybe, depends on how long I took) sourcing:


    https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-...top-recipients

    6 of the top 10 Lobbying recipients are...Democrats. I'm fairly sure total cash value still leans republican, but it's not what it used to be.
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    Last edited by LeonKeyh; 06-11-2022 at 11:43 PM.

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  3. #1072
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonKeyh View Post
    1. I didn't claim that you said 'just' the right wing, I expanded upon your comment.
    2. Your first and second sentence are at odds with each other "I didn't say it was so. But it is so." lol

    "Only" about 65% of lobbying goes to right wing anymore. If we were about 20-25 years ago you'd be right, but we're not. Corporations learned that it's really easy to get the left on their side, just update their Twitter avatar every June and virtue signal. I can't believe the "right wing" is the one AGAINST corporations in the US.

    Edit: Preemptive (maybe, depends on how long I took) sourcing:


    https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-...top-recipients

    6 of the top 10 Lobbying recipients are...Democrats. I'm fairly sure total cash value still leans republican, but it's not what it used to be.
    They're not against corporations, they're just unhappy with how far they are lagging behind the most insane and unhinged right wingers. I'm also unhappy to report that democrats are very much right leaning and love nothing more than to attack their own progressive wing. If they spent even half as much fervor on attacking republicans the democrats would win every major election forever against the republicans. This is why so many people in the US are so demoralized about voting. Nothing changes, the two parties are almost identical when it comes to actual policies and not just empty posturing.
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    Can a mod please close this at this point? This has nothing to do with final fantasy
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    for a year, would you rather be secretly filmed at random moments and have the footage uploaded to your social media or loose $100 when ever you said a curse word?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxion View Post
    Can a mod please close this at this point? This has nothing to do with final fantasy
    with what they said. We don't outside politics or any other agenda in this game. Keep it out of FFXIV. If you want to vent about it go make a reddit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    They're not against corporations, they're just unhappy with how far they are lagging behind the most insane and unhinged right wingers. I'm also unhappy to report that democrats are very much right leaning and love nothing more than to attack their own progressive wing. If they spent even half as much fervor on attacking republicans the democrats would win every major election forever against the republicans. This is why so many people in the US are so demoralized about voting. Nothing changes, the two parties are almost identical when it comes to actual policies and not just empty posturing.
    Tbh, the progressive wing in the US is very extreme.
    I often see people say that it's '' just like European countries '' which is just blatantly not true, most European left-wing governments have a lot more in common with the Democrats than the progressive wing.
    The same goes with these social issues, things are very aggressive and moving at the speed of light in the US, it goes way further than what you see in Europe and it's not normal.

    I dunno how you can say that they're almost identical too, Republicans and Democrats.
    Especially when it comes to LGBTQ and womens rights, immigration, the economy, healthcare and military spending etc.
    To me it just sounds like you get your view of the political parties from Twitter, Reddit, Twitch streamers or Youtubers.
    If you think they're the same then you should probably read up a bit again on what their actual policies are.

    I also see significantly more attacking the Democrats from the progressive wing than the other way around, including people building whole personalities around '' taking the Democratic party to task '' and using that as a gimmick.
    Which is easy to say when it's coming from people who run in progressive states and essentially get handed elections towards Democrats who run in far more divided or moderate ones.
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    Greetings everyone!

    Thank you for taking the time to share your feedback here. The original topic of this thread seems to have been fully discussed, and additional discussions on this topic have veered from the original topic and concern. We will be closing this thread to avoid any further off topic discussions. Apologies for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for taking the time to respond in this thread.

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