What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[kpxmanifesto]

I guess we'll have to wait if a future lore book confirms those statements made in the LL or not.

On a side note, the fact that SE has to re-explain parts of the story via a LL, in an attempt to clear up any confusion, speaks volumes about the quality of this expansion's writing.

[aveyond-dreams]

I'm just here remembering how I told people that the moment they allowed for the word "limited" to enter this game's vocabulary with Blue Mage that things weren't going to end up well, and how many people defended the state of things at that time. And how they defended the state of affairs when it was clear from the benchmark that Hrothgar and Viera were going to be a humongous problem moving forward, which is to say nothing of the return to gender-locked races.

But no, anyone who was against those backward decisions was called so many things by what was supposedly the least toxic mmorpg community out there. I wonder how many of those individuals have since opened their eyes and taken a look around, or if they are still behaving the same way they did back then.

[BrokentoothMarch]

I'm just here remembering how I told people that the moment they allowed for the word "limited" to enter this game's vocabulary with Blue Mage that things weren't going to end up well, and how many people defended the state of things at that time. And how they defended the state of affairs when it was clear from the benchmark that Hrothgar and Viera were going to be a humongous problem moving forward, which is to say nothing of the return to gender-locked races.

But no, anyone who was against those backward decisions was called so many things by what was supposedly the least toxic mmorpg community out there. I wonder how many of those individuals have since opened their eyes and taken a look around, or if they are still behaving the same way they did back then.

I'm still raging about BLU and dread the potential day PUP gets this treatment. I'm baffled people still defend what's quite literally "I didn't feel like finishing it."

[Atelier-Bagur]

On a side note, the fact that SE has to re-explain parts of the story via a LL, in an attempt to clear up any confusion, speaks volumes about the quality of this expansion's writing.

I mean...I certainly didnt need it. I understood the story just find, I didnt honestly needed to know every single minute detail or decision for why characters do the things they do. Otherwise lots of things in this game's entire story wouldnt make any logical sense if we try to understand everything. Why didnt the Ascians just destroy the Scions when they were clearly shown how easy it was to kill them when they wanted to? Why did Emet-Selch came to hang out with the Scions when the entire time he believed we would fail and would want to kill us anyway? Why did the Warriors of Darkness buy Elidibus's story about "saving" their world by sacrificing the Source to the rejoining when they clearly saw first hand that wasnt going to fix it?

Anyway all Im saying, its that I was fine going with what the narrative presented to me throught my entire time playing through the msq in this game. Having to now suddenly be challenged by everything is just not something I felt really needed when FFXIV's plot is nothing but jrpg tropes...just done slightly better.

Anyway this'll be my last post for this topic. Were very much angering the OP and other posters who want to focus this thread into what the title is about lol.

[kpxmanifesto]

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I wouldn't say it's perfection that people are seeking in the story, but the critical plot points should be elaborated on properly, especially for an expansion that seeks to conclude roughly ten years of story writing. You were satisfied with what was presented but some were not which is why the devs were asked questions about the story during the LL. If these questions about the story didn't have some validity or raise legitimate concerns, the fans asking them probably wouldn't have had their questions presented to the devs during the LL in the first place.

[alex4815162342]

I really don't understand : some people don't like the game for years and they keep playing it ? Why are you still here? Just to suffer ?

[Vahlnir]

I'm just here remembering how I told people that the moment they allowed for the word "limited" to enter this game's vocabulary with Blue Mage that things weren't going to end up well, and how many people defended the state of things at that time. And how they defended the state of affairs when it was clear from the benchmark that Hrothgar and Viera were going to be a humongous problem moving forward, which is to say nothing of the return to gender-locked races.

But no, anyone who was against those backward decisions was called so many things by what was supposedly the least toxic mmorpg community out there. I wonder how many of those individuals have since opened their eyes and taken a look around, or if they are still behaving the same way they did back then.

I made my concerns known, but in hindsight I don't think I believed that things would get so out of hand. Yet, here we are.

[Amenara]

I really don't understand : some people don't like the game for years and they keep playing it ? Why are you still here? Just to suffer ?

A little bit of hopium that the game will get better, friends that still play and want to play with them, enjoy certain aspects of the game but think that SE could do a lot better in other parts of the game. Those are the reasons I still play, mostly.

[Shin96]

I really don't understand : some people don't like the game for years and they keep playing it ? Why are you still here? Just to suffer ?

I do like the game. Been playing for years in fact. Heavensward was my favourite expansion mostly because of DRK and it challenged its players unlike nowadays.

That said, you still have "fun", but it's very limited. Yoshi P and his unit have listened to players in the past and has shown an interest in communicating with his fanbase.

It's just since Shadowbringers that there seems a huge focus on inviting new players to the game, while we basically keep our arse aflot on water so they can walk on it towards the next expansion.

They've also repeated disappointed Viera and Hrothgar players, in fact it took them 2 years from the launch of ShB towards Endwalker to add new hairstyles which aren't even unique to the races.

[SassyAssassin]

If you didn't care then you wouldn't use something so personal as your mother's dismissing condition or is there some resentment there? I will happily keep your mother out of my mouth because her child doesn't respect her enough not to air her intimate details online. It's sad that I complete stranger might care more about your hypothetically infirm mother more than you do and you call others toxic. How can you ask for respect from others in this community when you don't even respect your own family?

What is the meaning of this? I dont agree with her but you are taking things a bit too far. Its a ffxiv forum not a psychology one in which no offense but you both fail not just her. Take your resentment and need to bash others to lift your self esteem somewhere else.