Ifrit/Moogle King and Jobs

[Molly_Millions]

MRD was always decent DD and a better tank for Ifrit, I imagine it would be even more effective now with Mighty Strikes & Steel Cyclone to keep Rampage up. It also appears to have much better enmity generation than PLD.

Is that still true given that WAR takes far more damage than PLD?

[TirionCrey]

Is that still true given that WAR takes far more damage than PLD?

How could WAR/MRD get far more dmg then a PLD, when def is "completely" ignored by Ifrit? That alone makes WAR a "better" tank, just cause he has a way higher HP Pool, only considering Ifrit!

[Chardrizard]

I've got a question for all of you that have tried Ifrit post patch. Is WAR actually useful now in the Ifrit fight as DD? Or has anyone even tried it?

any DD is useful as long as they are not half retarded and keep dying, but they will still parse lower than THM/BLM.

[Belial]

Is that still true given that WAR takes far more damage than PLD?

WAR has a much deeper HP pool than PLD. A lot (or all?) Ifrit's attacks are based on magic as opposed to physical (apart from swipe that I remember). And the damage they take is mitigated in different ways than PLD. Mighty Strikes + Rampage = HP generation per hit for 10 seconds, couple that with a combo and you can keep yourself afloat for a bit. They also have Vengeance which redirects a portion of damage back to it's source, and other mitigating abilites like Featherfoot & Foresight.

[Molly_Millions]

How could WAR/MRD get far more dmg then a PLD, when def is "completely" ignored by Ifrit? That alone makes WAR a "better" tank, just cause he has a way higher HP Pool, only considering Ifrit!

Again, I haven't fought Ifrit since the patch, and WAR does take more damage than PLD vs regular mobs. I honestly didn't know about Ifrit ignoring DEF. Has somebody done some thorough testing around that? If so, do you know where I can take a peek at the results and test methodology?

[Molly_Millions]

any DD is useful as long as they are not half retarded and keep dying, but they will still parse lower than THM/BLM.

Last i tried using MRD vs ifrit for DD, MRD was way down on the list as far as DPS is concerned. Like last out of all DDs, in fact.

[Seyra]

Our Linkshell do it easy with this strategy:

I use Bard during Ifrit. When Nails pop the White Mage came to the Black Mage/Bard spot (Thaumaturges spot). Mid-time between Nails pop and Hellfire I used Battle Voice on the people around me (White Mage, Black Mages and other Bard), White Mage keeps HP up, Bards helps with Stoneskin if White Mage is busy healing the ones that couldn't escape Eruption.

When Ifrit lands in the middle, the Paladin and the other White Mage who stayed on his rock to help the Paladin use Sentinel. The people around the Bard have 100% survival rate even if they don't have Sentinel. The HP Max rise of Battle Voice is enough as long as one Nail is brought down =)
After Hellfire the White Mage uses Benediction and everyone rocks n' rolls ^^

[DeadRiser]

I've got a question for all of you that have tried Ifrit post patch. Is WAR actually useful now in the Ifrit fight as DD? Or has anyone even tried it?

I fought Ifrit on WAR... let's say I was red at least 75% of the time when I wasn't running away from eruptions. WAR is a really good off tank if your PLD dies since they have good tanking skills and Vengaence is awesome!

[Molly_Millions]

...and sorry about spamming this thread with my questions. With everyone focused on getting Job AFs and whatnot, I haven't had a chance to use my fav class/job (MRD/WAR) against Ifrit/Moogles.

[Molly_Millions]

I fought Ifrit on WAR... let's say I was red at least 75% of the time when I wasn't running away from eruptions. WAR is a really good off tank if your PLD dies since they have good tanking skills and Vengaence is awesome!

IMO, the tank should never die in an Ifrit fight. If they do, then multiple people are doing it wrong.