What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Xirean]

its okay if you disagree, I know a majority will its just how i feel about it dont feel bad if u disagree. In storys where people come in from different aspects we will all have different views and feelings to things. I just wish the devs could see and understand that and allow us ALL to have an experience for how we feel even if its a meaningless box, if u know its something like with zenos a option would be nice to have

Honestly, no. I can't get behind that. Not for Zenos. I liked him in StB because he was just a crazy antagonist. It was easy to enjoy his presence because he was simply an obstacle. This story showed more of his character and gave him the smallest amount of growth and very strongly solidified that all he wants is to fight with his life on the line while also putting someone else's life on the line. That's not a character I want to have a chance of having a nice sit down with, that's someone I want to destroy. Additionally if you pick the middle dialogue option with him he continues to assume you are denying "what we are" and if you pick the third option he is just happy that you want to kill him. The dude is messed up and I don't want him coming back at all.

[Nekokaori]

Honestly, no. I can't get behind that. Not for Zenos. I liked him in StB because he was just a crazy antagonist. It was easy to enjoy his presence because he was simply an obstacle. This story showed more of his character and gave him the smallest amount of growth and very strongly solidified that all he wants is to fight with his life on the line while also putting someone else's life on the line. That's not a character I want to have a chance of having a nice sit down with, that's someone I want to destroy. Additionally if you pick the middle dialogue option with him he continues to assume you are denying "what we are" and if you pick the third option he is just happy that you want to kill him. The did is messed up and I don't want him coming back at all.

okay ill give u example although it vexs me, In wow everyone gives sylvanas shit for actions but personally and for many people we can relate to her character after we learn all her story both her and her story attachs to people.

What i hate and what angers me about both players and devs is they ignore the fact some of us who play have struggles mental health or very similar to certain characters are outcast and when you just sum it up to THIS GUY IS CRAZY LETS KILL HIM and ignore everything and even little hits about things.. it just annoys the shit out of me

[Xirean]

okay ill give u example although it vexs me, In wow everyone gives sylvanas shit for actions but personally and for many people we can relate to her character after we learn all her story both her and her story attachs to people.

What i hate and what angers me about both players and devs is they ignore the fact some of us who play have struggles mental health or very similar to certain characters are outcast and when you just sum it up to THIS GUY IS CRAZY LETS KILL HIM and ignore everything and even little hits about things.. it just annoys the shit out of me

I want to be very clear. When a character has done a bad thing and then I learn a reason for them doing that bad thing, I don't forgive them for it. The bad thing is still bad. If they can maybe get a redemption arc I can potentially be ok with them, but they would need to very carefully redeem that bad action. Urienger is an example of this for me. I hated that he kept lying to us and going behind our backs. I was really happy that we got to actually explore that frustration in EW cause that dude has been driving me crazy since the end of HW.

Zenos has a backstory very similar to an abused child. I know that, and it's very disturbing. I can feel bad for him off that, but it in no way forgives his actions at all. He wants to kill people and have fun doing so. I have no ability to empathize with that. Also if you'd like to talk about mental health struggles, the body hijack could very easily be seen as a sexual assault scenario. I'm really not interested in entertaining the idea of having a date with him.

[Nekokaori]

I want to be very clear. When a character has done a bad thing and then I learn a reason for them doing that bad thing, I don't forgive them for it. The bad thing is still bad. If they can maybe get a redemption arc I can potentially be ok with them, but they would need to very carefully redeem that bad action. Urienger is an example of this for me. I hated that he kept lying to us and going behind our backs. I was really happy that we got to actually explore that frustration in EW cause that dude has been driving me crazy since the end of HW.

Zenos has a backstory very similar to an abused child. I know that, and it's very disturbing. I can feel bad for him off that, but it in no way forgives his actions at all. He wants to kill people and have fun doing so. I have no ability to empathize with that. Also if you'd like to talk about mental health struggles, the body hijack could very easily be seen as a sexual assault scenario. I'm really not interested in entertaining the idea of having a date with him.

and that is an acceptable view point, I dont agree but i understand how u feel with it. All I'm saying is they need to stop only seeing that single point of view and accept some of may see differently and giving us a option to give our reaction with how we view, is a reasonable request..

Personally if someone is hurt by someone I believe they have every right to massacre everyone of them like niddhog had that right

[Xirean]

and that is an acceptable view point, I dont agree but i understand how u feel with it. All I'm saying is they need to stop only seeing that single point of view and accept some of may see differently and giving us a option to give our reaction with how we view, is a reasonable request..

Personally if someone is hurt by someone I believe they have every right to massacre everyone of them like niddhog had that right

More dialogue options? Ok, sure. Nidhogg had the right to kill an entire group of people because their ancestors killed one of his kin? Absolutely not.

Edit: I understand why Nidhogg was furious. I get why he was doing what he was doing, but no. Just no.

[Nekokaori]

More dialogue options? Ok, sure. Nidhogg had the right to kill an entire group of people because their ancestors killed one of his kin? Absolutely not.

Edit: I understand why Nidhogg was furious. I get why he was doing what he was doing, but no. Just no.

expect they desevered it they not only denyed and lied about it but every believer they called a hertic and hunted down like dogs..

when someone turns something or someone who is pure into a monster by pain I feel no pity for them getting butchered like they desever

[Xirean]

expect they desevered it they not only denyed and lied about it but every believer they called a hertic and hunted down like dogs..

when someone turns something or someone who is pure into a monster by pain I feel no pity for them getting butchered like they desever

You mean the church did that. And who did we remove from power in HW? I agree that Nidhogg deserved justice, but that justice does not and will not ever extend to having the right to genocide an entire group of people. Punish explicitly those responsible and not a soul more.