Trick Attack

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I understand why you reacted this way, but this was unnecessary. I don't get why you're bragging on the official forums and bringing up logs to bolster yourself. No speedrunner would come in here and do that anyway. And the idea of 'not taking people's ideas seriously if they perform worse'? A player does not need to be amazing log-wise to know what they're talking about.

However, I mostly disagree with the points you made. For the sake of balance and removing the disparity between NIN players, the proposal is deleting NIN's unique staple and forcing it on the 2m like everyone else is just a sleeper. MNK and DRG are just alternate versions of the same job, rotation and buff type/% aside. Will it make balance easier on SE's behalf? Sure, I suppose. Doesn't mean this change is any good.

NIN's rotation is unlikely to change very much, but a lot of jobs find it very fun to play around Trick Attack or have it on their radar. You can see the difference between a good DRK and a bad DRK solely based how well they can work around Trick, same goes for SAMS, DNCs, RPRs... that have that option to do so, but otherwise it won't naturally happen. You see it as a restriction, others find it fun and rewarding.

Also are you suggesting a NIN's lower personal contributes less into buffs? A job that has one of the highest 2m bursts and is respectable every minute? The job is incredible for buffs. aDPS is a very flawed metric though if you don't strip down the comp first.

Even so, what class you decide to bring to prog does not matter when savage content is clearable on any job outside maybe week 1 if the potency tuning is just terrible. NINs can clear the content fine without the need for players to "plan and optimize". Especially given their excellent disengage ability and simple enough filler that makes mechanical execution simple, something that other melee may just not have during prog. Week 1 & 2 prog groups have brought NIN in the past and had no issues, despite the scaling. Early PF can clear just fine with a NIN. With any job in that matter. If you can't clear the week 2 dps check and you're on NIN, I think you have other issues unrelated to Trick Attack (:

That is just the nature of buff jobs and unless we want carbon copies of the same job for "balance", some jobs do better in certain situations than others. Having a unique staple means a job has both weaknesses and strengths, and if you want jobs to be viable in every situation, we might as well be all playing the same job! Because that's what direction we're heading in and honestly it's rather boring.

And shouldn't this argument apply to tether and litany as well, both buffs are just slightly behind Trick's total utility? DRG also relies on its party members, both to not bring guaranteed crit and for a good partner to utilize tether.

My response was a rebuttal of claims made about me. I can see why it would read as pretentious, and although it could probably have been written better, If someone says I do not care about X Y Z, I should be in the right to say such a claim against me is false.

No. What I said was not "I do not care about your opinion if you parse green" it was "if you don't even play the job you opinion means less on this subject to me".

You are mistaken.
I perform better at NIN than most of the people in this thread, if they even play the job AT ALL- which seems to not be the case for a lot of these complainers. Pray excuse me if I don't take some people's criticism seriously regarding a job they do not play, as they tell me how I'm supposed to feel about a job I've sunk thousands of hours into.

It is relevant that people saying "this change is bad" doesn't actively play the job. A lot of the comments are from DPS saying "oh I like putting abilities under trick", which, while being wholesome, isn't relevant to if this change is better for the NIN players themselves.

Yeah this I see, in my opinion it's not the biggest deal. It's also not inherently that some players "work around trick" is that our openers are created with Trick in mind- so as long as they dont drift they end up with stuff under TA. So it certainly is not always (sometimes, but most of the case, definitely not) people optimizing- just playing their job correctly. It's worth keeping in mind that a majority of statics do not heavily optimize. And having one job overly reliant on people doing so when other jobs are not is a reasonable thing to adress from a development standpoint.

No, where did I claim this?
If you mean in the long post I qouted on the first page, it has sections cut out and is part of a larger discussion regarding how FFLOGS can be used to indicate job health- but isnt necessarily a good indicator for the actual numbers.
I'm not really sure why aDPS is mentioned here. I feel like I'm missing context for this entire section.

Cute smiley, very passive agressive and charming, still not relevant to the claim I was originally making.
I said "The first, and only real hurdle, is beating the DPS check once, at which point it gets continously easier. If one job has a rougher time meeting that check because "they scale harder later" then they, and their team, is arbitrarily taxed."
The argument being "by having one job that is such an outlier in terms of the balancing - while all other DPS have been shoehorned into it this 2 min window- a change was expected".

I don't know if this section is an argument against me, but I agree to some extent. I can see why they're (the devs) taking the easy way out, and for me personally I am looking forward to the change. The devs have absolutely no clue what to do about TA, or a ton of other jobs in the game at the moment, and just having them put trick on 2 min (after repeatedly getting nerfed due to being way too strong) is a huge relief over the other options we could've gotten.
I'll just throw it out there that I don't find NIN's TA being this whole end all be all of it's kit as if it's the only thing making NIN into NIN. I think it lost it identity already with emnity management going out the window, debuffs not needed to be kept up, and so on. Because really TA isn't support, it's just roundabout damage. Mantra, Feint, Arcane crest and other such abilities are the real "support" jobs- NIN hasn't been a real support for years at this point.

I want to stress that it's not an "argument", it is an "assumption". I'm guessing they will just move everything (or nearly) onto a 2 min rotation with just about the same value because trying to juggle 20 raidbuffs is impossible. Especially when you try to scale it up.
So not an argument, I'm mainly guessing what their reasoning is.