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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    One cannot truly believe their avatar has no personality. You are the Warrior of Light, the personality you choose to role-play is your avatar's personality. Your avatar's emotional responses to the journey you've taken are those you choose to role-play. Since not everyone has the talent for role-play, the game provides minimal hints along the way indicating what the storyline believes your character would do in a given circumstance. For those who do have talent for role-play that can be extremely frustrating at times. Many can differentiate their avatar-as-main-character-in-a-story from their avatar when engaging in the role-play aspect of MMOs. Given the nature of the written narrative, players might engage in the equivalent of writing fan fiction for their character. The whole role-playing community encourages such engagements.

    The written narrative is focused on the Warrior of Light. The cast of Scions purpose is to move the story along. They are catalysts for our own actions. There is a familiarity to them that ensures we have their support when necessary. But the path is not theirs to take, it is ours.

    As for why we constantly succeed, despite what are bitter odds ... we don't, always. I certainly didn't expect to get beaten down, twice, by Zenos. Nor did I anticipate running away from Rajit. This is an ongoing MMO with multiple players. The outcome of every battle is going to be success, eventually. The day we cease to succeed is the day the servers are turned off for the last time.

    That is the nature of video games. To go against that nature, as in "We deliberately made this game to be unbeatable", is to occur the wrath of players for whom a successful outcome is expected.

    Would the tragic death of one of the Scions really have cured the dissatisfaction you've expressed in this expansion so far? I know it wouldn't do so for any number of those who've also expressed their own dissatisfaction with the storyline, because the death of a major character wasn't what they focused on.
    Except we now learn this expansion everything was already pre determined. I didnt have a say in anything, i didnt even get a chance to express myself to Venat and how much i disagreed with her actions, so no, the WoL isnt me, if it was believe me things would be a lot different. My WoL truly seems like they have no personality, 90% of the time the way they react to things is through palm punching, fist clenching, and "menacingly" stepping forward. Endwalker ws probably the expansion with the highest stakes and biggest threat ever, and its also the expansion that had the least amount of consequences and suffering for the main cast. You can make it where the main character loses and still have a game, even in a mmo. Lets not act like this is some baffling claim, even the devs themselves said they were thinking about a rejoining plot for 5.3+ so clearly its possible.


    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
    They've already had moments in the game that you're describing. You're very narrowly looking at EW, which already has suffering outside of the main characters enough already. Everything bad that happens from halfway through EW on is indirectly caused by the WoL going hero on Zodiark. We go through a whole dungeon right after that's all about people suffering indirectly from our actions.

    In ARR, Alphinaud's heroic ideal fails and he creates a military force that nearly ruins everything and ends up with a (fake) dead Sultana and eventually leads to Shinryu being summoned to cause a new calamity. Our WoL is exiled from the rest of Eorzea (but we still get to go there bc MMO). That's followed up with us going on an elf adventure to see the dragons and 2 of the "main characters" in that story each finding out they're wrong and they've been continuously killing for nothing and feeding into a cycle of hate. Lyse deals with the loss of her sister and her country as well as her best friend who sacrificed himself in vain to save the world from Shinryu. Thancred's whole story in Shadowbringers deals with his failure to save his quasi-adopted daughter on the Source, who he only got in contact with because he failed to save her real father. He tries to cope through Ryne but learns to let it go. Urianger also has his thing about Moenbryda which is resolved in EW and his guilt over his events at the end of Heavensward's patches. Y'shtola on the other hand I don't really feel like is a full character, but she still goes blind trying to save the Scions.

    They could have killed a character at some point but I feel like it would have broken the plot flow, it would have been unnecessary, it would have removed all potential for keeping that character around in the future, and it could have alienated fans. Considering the devs didn't do that, they feel the same way. At this point, the main cast is over 10 years old. You can look at the Disney Star Wars trilogy as an example of how badly fans took the deaths of old characters for the sake of their newer, less well done characters.
    Yes, other expansions, expansions where they didnt throw in your face constantly and try to preach that suffering is necessary. I dont need you to try and remind me of events that happened 6+ years ago. I find it absolutely humorous how you and others say things like a character death would have ruined the plot flow in an expansion dealing with loss and sacrifice, yet dont seem to think the constant death baiting,and fakeout deaths dont ruin the plot flow. To each their own i suppose but i find it to be an incredible double standard. How would it have been "unnecessary" if you dont even know how they would do it? Alienated fans? Are you serious? So it isnt really a matter of it being a hindrance to the story, its a matter of fans not being able to handle the deth of their comfort characters. I've already shown you a quote from Yoshi p saying he agrees that there needs to be losses on the main cast side lol. So no, he doesnt feel the same way evidently.

    I think theres more than enough proof that newer characters are well liked considering popularity polls showing the ancient characters like Emet are much more popular than the scions.
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    Last edited by KizuyaKatogami; 03-27-2022 at 05:18 AM.

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