Looking back at this Yoshi P statement(story spoilers)

[AziraSyuren]

I don't know if it's accurate to call what happened at Ultima Thule a fake out when we were given a plot device that could explicitly bring people back to life.

There was never a chance of anyone dying for good and I can't understand how anyone thought otherwise. The only weird part is when Y'shtola told us to pretend that we weren't going to just magic them back. It's like being given a key and acting like it's bad writing when someone actually opens a door with it. Thinking that UT would result in any lasting consequences at any point is just pure copium.

[Fayt1203]

I think it matters how people interpreted what fake deaths are.

Like for me Thancred and Y'shtola only have one count for me.
I cant count arr and reason is i felt that we just did not have enough information of what really happened in the tunnel, Sb is the only fake out death for Y'shtola on my account. She was slashed with freaky long blade and i have already seen people killed with lesser slash in this game. And it was obvious that something was up when she jumped after the antidote back in ShB, the wind gust was a big give away on that. Shb is also where thancred gets my count. It just how the scene played out it feelt like it was he was on his last leg
I am still fighting myself with Alisaie, if she should get a count from Hw or Sb scene witch was nearly identical what happened to Y'shtola earlier on still analysing that.

[SieyaM]

I don't know if it's accurate to call what happened at Ultima Thule a fake out when we were given a plot device that could explicitly bring people back to life.

There was never a chance of anyone dying for good and I can't understand how anyone thought otherwise. The only weird part is when Y'shtola told us to pretend that we weren't going to just magic them back. It's like being given a key and acting like it's bad writing when someone actually opens a door with it. Thinking that UT would result in any lasting consequences at any point is just pure copium.

I would count it as a fake out since, unless I am misremembering, Y'shtola specifically tells us not to bring anyone back since it would undo all the changes made in Ultima Thule. We are told by one of our party members that even though possible no one should be revived, just to have someone snap their fingers at the end and make all right in the world.

[vormela]

The entire story leading up to Ultima Thule--including the part in Labyrinthos that focused on survival (the things people need to get by) before making meaning of life--had me reading the journey more as a mental exercise in what it means to live and the metaphysical rather than "I hope no one dies."

We had been propelled there by the hopes and dreams (AKA THE PRIMALS) of all of the planet's civilizations.

We had been piloted there by magical bunnies blessed with the divine gift of interplanetary travel (this device "felt" a lot like how porxies--flying pigs--were the solution to tempering...absurd but so charming, as it can be argued most of the magic of undoing tempering came from being cared for by another person and so rather like a placebo effect...similar to the soup in Garlemald...or the hot cocoa in Coerthas... but they all "work" because they give the person's life meaning...they signify something).

We go through allegorical death in Endwalker in so many ways. As soon as Emet-Selch started narrating and Venat appeared on the ship with us, I was mourning characters who had been lost ALREADY. Mainly the player-character, who has no memory before the first time we log in. The whole arc about Kairos was specifically painful because it made you realize what it feels like to not be remembered. That was the loss Emet-Selch felt for so many lifetimes.

I don't know how the stakes aren't high when they bring out a memory wiper after your character pals around with Hythlodaeus and the Ancients. And that is AFTER meeting him in purgatory and realizing he doesn't remember you (because you only talked to a shade of him in Amaurot). I don't think they had to kill anyone off to raise the urgency and stakes. To focus on that is ignoring the intricacies of the storytelling.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The entire story leading up to Ultima Thule--including the part in Labyrinthos that focused on survival (the things people need to get by) before making meaning of life--had me reading the journey more as a mental exercise in what it means to live and the metaphysical rather than "I hope no one dies."

We had been propelled there by the hopes and dreams (AKA THE PRIMALS) of all of the planet's civilizations.

We had been piloted there by magical bunnies blessed with the divine gift of interplanetary travel (this device "felt" a lot like how porxies--flying pigs--were the solution to tempering...absurd but so charming, as it can be argued most of the magic of undoing tempering came from being cared for by another person and so rather like a placebo effect...similar to the soup in Garlemald...or the hot cocoa in Coerthas... but they all "work" because they give the person's life meaning...they signify something).

We go through allegorical death in Endwalker in so many ways. As soon as Emet-Selch started narrating and Venat appeared on the ship with us, I was mourning characters who had been lost ALREADY. Mainly the player-character, who has no memory before the first time we log in. The whole arc about Kairos was specifically painful because it made you realize what it feels like to not be remembered. That was the loss Emet-Selch felt for so many lifetimes.

I don't know how the stakes aren't high when they bring out a memory wiper after your character pals around with Hythlodaeus and the Ancients. And that is AFTER meeting him in purgatory and realizing he doesn't remember you (because you only talked to a shade of him in Amaurot). I don't think they had to kill anyone off to raise the urgency and stakes. To focus on that is ignoring the intricacies of the storytelling.

by intricacies do you mean massive plot holes and theme contradictions?

[DPZ2]

by intricacies do you mean massive plot holes and theme contradictions?

Nah. They meant what they wrote. You may interpret that to mean whatever you like, but stop putting words into someone else's mouth.

Actually, address the substance of the post, rather than trying to score points for being snarky.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Nah. They meant what they wrote. You may interpret that to mean whatever you like, but stop putting words into someone else's mouth.

Actually, address the substance of the post, rather than trying to score points for being snarky.

Not being snarky at all, genuinely asking if thats what they meant because i find the only intricate thing in EW to be the massive plot holes there are.

[DPZ2]

Not being snarky at all, genuinely asking if thats what they meant because i find the only intricate thing in EW to be the massive plot holes there are.

Yeah. You could have written that instead, and actually used the words "because I find". And it is still snarky.

[Knot_D]

Thancred and Urianger are my two favourites, it's nice to have some blokes roughly my own age around.

They should've make family with Ryne and Gaia as their daughters at First to be honest...

[kpxmanifesto]

??

This is such a strange personal interpretation for the events of the story. Honestly this just comes off as a desperate attempt by a yes-man to gloss over any plot holes or pacing issues that arise.

Nothing about the memory wipe was high stakes. It was essentially a safe method of returning everything to how it was prior to the WoL's arrival in Elpis. The only exception to the memory wipe was Venat who (very confusingly) does absolutely nothing and dooms her entire race. The memory wipe was a cheap plot device that the writers used to avoid having to create an alternate timeline or an altered future.