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  1. #101
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    The Trust system is not being implemented to "appease a small portion of the player base". In fact, it is being implemented into ARR to convince millions of people who play the single player FF games to try out this game by telling them it is soloable.
    Reality: A large number of veterans and higher level players hate getting synced down and having all of 6 buttons in their kit so they don't queue for leveling, 5678, MSQ, trials etct etc.

    New players can't find groups because those higher levels don't queue for roulettes.

    They're implementing Trusts as a futureproof. Simple as that.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  2. #102
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    ElysiumDragon's Avatar
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    Mimilla Milla
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    I'm probably the sort of player the developers would consider your average 'committed player'. 7k+ hours, I run the vast majority of content (though not always immediately upon release), I've spent easily 3 figures in the cash shop on extra items, and I've been playing since 3.05.

    There's definitely room for improvement, but I believe the game is doing well, and will continue to do well for a long time, 0.01% of l33t raiders aside (WoW learned the hard way not to cater to the 0.01% of players, it's why FF14 puts so much emphasis on community).

    In terms of personal requests for improvements?

    I'd love to see the housing system completely revamped going forward, as it's a big part of the whole 'community' thing, but also a complete mess.
    I'd like to see the glamour system revamped as well. The plate/dresser system is IMO a good idea, but held back by a lack of experimentation options and permanence. Significantly more plates would be appreciated, and I'd also like to see the Calamity Salvager become a sort of 'catalogue' where you can rebuy dungeon gear you've obtained for a price.
    Cross-Region travel is also a major feature I'd like to see implemented (though with marketboard restrictions for obvious reasons), as I'd love to run content with my friends from all over the world.

    In terms of jobs, I completely agree that healers need to be more relevant going forward, and I believe a philosophy of "No current content should be clearable without healers" would go a long way.
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  3. #103
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    Eristede Kell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minarisweet View Post
    Ffxiv isn't real life either.
    I don't know what this is supposed to mean.

    Players are actual people. If you make a statement like, "most players think X," you're making a statement about the actual world that is actually true or false. If you make a statement like, "most players think X, and I know that because the small, self-selecting group of players who post on the forums mostly say X," you're making a statement about the state of the world, but your evidence for that statement is very week.

    I don't think that any of these things are controversial statements, but I'm open to the small, self-selecting group of FF14 players who post on the forum to suggest otherwise
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  4. #104
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Reality: A large number of veterans and higher level players hate getting synced down and having all of 6 buttons in their kit so they don't queue for leveling, 5678, MSQ, trials etct etc.

    New players can't find groups because those higher levels don't queue for roulettes.

    They're implementing Trusts as a futureproof. Simple as that.
    I mean, not only that, there is also just more content for people to clear than there are people queueing for roulettes. That's been a problem forever so people get 40 minute queues and it's only going to keep getting worse as we get more MSQ content.

    The reason I provided was reiterating the reason we were given in the live letter. We were told it was to get people who only play single player FFs to try out this game.
    (2)
    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Want to know why new content will never last more than 20 minutes? Full breakdown:

  5. #105
    Player KizuyaKatogami's Avatar
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    Kizuya Katogami
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    I mean, not only that, there is also just more content for people to clear than there are people queueing for roulettes. That's been a problem forever so people get 40 minute queues and it's only going to keep getting worse as we get more MSQ content.

    The reason I provided was reiterating the reason we were given in the live letter. We were told it was to get people who only play single player FFs to try out this game.
    Aka it’s just a way for the higher ups at SE to shill more money from 14 without it actually going into the game, while potentially making the mmo aspect of the game even worse for the players that enjoy that type of thing.
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  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Reality: A large number of veterans and higher level players hate getting synced down and having all of 6 buttons in their kit so they don't queue for leveling, 5678, MSQ, trials etct etc.

    New players can't find groups because those higher levels don't queue for roulettes.

    They're implementing Trusts as a futureproof. Simple as that.
    I think it's a lot to do with the rewards being garbage for doing many of these roulettes. People would do them if there is an incentive to do them, regardless of gameplay.
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    WHM | RDM | DNC

  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I think it's a lot to do with the rewards being garbage for doing many of these roulettes. People would do them if there is an incentive to do them, regardless of gameplay.
    100% agreed. If you have lvl 90's there is literally no reason to do them, at all. The rewards suck.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  8. #108
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    This thread reminds me of the WoW forums back in WotLK where people were constantly whining and complaining about the state of the game, asking for change etc. even though the game was peaking at a massive 12 million playerbase. Cataclysm arrived and change they got. Then everyone quit. Problem is that a lot of people don't know when to be content. There's always something to nag about that makes acting like it's the end of the world seem like a sensible reaction (even though the game is doing extremely well). Such is the danger of living in the echo-chamber of forums imbued with a constant negativity. Eventually it's all you see.

    I absolutely do believe the game is fine, but could use some improvements in some areas. They need to adress healers and maybe also tanks. Doesn't seem like those roles have received the attention they deserve. Other than that? Fix the glamour system and make roulettes more interesting for max level characters.

    Aside from that, I thoroughly enjoyed the EW MSQ - especially my time in Elpis. I've yet to meet a single person in-game who didn't like it.
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    Last edited by Imoye; 03-21-2022 at 09:23 AM.

  9. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imoye View Post
    This thread reminds me of the WoW forums back in WotLK where people were constantly whining and complaining about the state of the game, asking for change etc. even though the game was peaking at a massive 12 million playerbase. Cataclysm arrived and change they got. Then everyone quit. Problem is that a lot of people don't know when to be content. There's always something to nag about that makes acting like it's the end of the world seem like a sensible reaction (even though the game is doing extremely well).

    I absolutely do believe the game is fine, but could use some improvements in some areas. They need to adress healers and maybe also tanks. Doesn't seem like those roles have received the attention they deserve. Other than that? Fix the glamour system and make roulettes more interesting for max level characters.

    Aside from that, I thoroughly enjoyed the EW MSQ - especially my time in Elpis. I've yet to meet a single person in-game who didn't like it.
    Might sound like the end of the world in your head, whole thread has been "he doesn't need to step out he needs to stop ignoring healers", while others are just giving the thought of the post a benefit of doubt but no one ever in these forums has ever fear monguered anything and just try to make very clear healers are boring to play and some content is lacklusting. I think some of the people like you in these forums are the ones that need the chill pill.
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  10. #110
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imoye View Post
    This thread reminds me of the WoW forums back in WotLK where people were constantly whining and complaining about the state of the game, asking for change etc. even though the game was peaking at a massive 12 million playerbase. Cataclysm arrived and change they got. Then everyone quit. Problem is that a lot of people don't know when to be content. There's always something to nag about that makes acting like it's the end of the world seem like a sensible reaction (even though the game is doing extremely well).

    I absolutely do believe the game is fine, but could use some improvements in some areas. They need to adress healers and maybe also tanks. Doesn't seem like those roles have received the attention they deserve. Other than that? Fix the glamour system and make roulettes more interesting for max level characters.

    Aside from that, I thoroughly enjoyed the EW MSQ - especially my time in Elpis. I've yet to meet a single person in-game who didn't like it.

    Well i think its pretty telling when a lot of the issues like for example healers have been a problem for years. This isnt some new problem, its been this way for years with no change. I can see why people might want a change if they arent seeing probems being addressed. You know how yoshi p addressed healer concerns recently? He basically told healer mains to shut up and go play ultimate content if they want engaging gameplay. 10/10 response.

    As far as the story goes, do you just go up to random people in game and ask them their opinions on the story?
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