What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Theodric]

Someone wanting to destroy the world and everyone in it down to the last man, woman and child because they're upset at something isn't 'depression'. It's psychopathy. Especially when someone opts to act on such thoughts rather than have it be a stray angry thought that they do not actually intend to do anything with.

I think that individuals that fully intend to kill people in response to something not going their way should be treated as a credible threat rather than entertained in any meaningful capacity.

[PawPaw]

I'm apparently depressed enough that I have to be medicated for it but no; even in my darkest and most despairing hour I have never wanted to take the world down with me. I think that's because I'm not a raving psychopath, though. Not sure.

And I see you just take what Exposition'shtola dishes out and look no further. Too bad we are also shown how they can create literally anything they can imagine including beings that manipulate Dynamis and how that explanation falls apart when you look at it with a modicum of common sense. Fact is, we'll never know what the Ancients could have done because they never had to chance to defend themselves due to a subversive traitor in their midst deciding that she alone knew what was best for all of humanity.

[EaraGrace]

I'm apparently depressed enough that I have to be medicated for it but no; even in my darkest and most despairing hour I have never wanted to take the world down with me. I think that's because I'm not a raving psychopath, though. Not sure.

Misanthropy is actually a much more common experience than many admit. I agree with you that being depressed doesn’t make one a misanthrope, but I don’t agree with your conclusion. Monsters and villains can possess empathy and love. To believe they can’t is to not see them for what they are. Human.

[Skyborne]

Really not surprised those who disliked the Ancients since their reveal and felt they "deserved" all this (for their own good, of course!) are now angling toward thinking that Hermes in addition to Venat were both important and necessary. They merely needed permission from the developers to sing his praises.

Depressing... maybe I'll go take a stroll and destroy a planet while I'm at it. They would have ended up dying at some point anyway. Besides, they just didn't hope hard enough or have plot armor!

[Kozh]

I'm glad you've never been so depressed you just want to watch the world burn, you alongside it

Depressed? Never?? You sweet summer child. Wanting the world to burn? Eh, might have fantasized one or two times. Wishing for it to happen actually? Never. Not all depressed people are egotistical hypocrite like hermes.

Venat knew that the ancients couldn't defeat a being made of nearly pure Dynamis: Considering the ancients were composed of such vast amounts of aether. Again, if you paid attention, the more aether one has, the less they are able to interact with dynamis: Meaning the ancients couldn't have defeated Meteion even if they were able to reach her. Yet a secondary reason why Venat chose to sunder mankind. Their aether was basically 1/13th of what it used to be: Allowing them a better connection with dynamis and ultimately, making Meteion's defeat possible.

It's still very funny to me how people just straight up ignore how being able to interact with dynamis is actually a double-edged sword. On a second thought, nope it's even worse because you yourself turn into blasphemies, meanwhile the Ancients are still able to fight back the creature born from their creation magic.

Aether isn't inherently weaker than dynamis. It's just a matter of ratio. Meteion realm is pure dynamis? Then combat it with large amounts of pure aether, you know, like zodiark-amount of aether. After all, his aether bubble still stand strong even after being sundered for 12k years. Besides, meteion is only this strong because we left her alone to feast on other worlds for so many years.

Let's be honest here, if we drop any plot armor that exists in the game, we'll know the party won't stand a chance against meteion in Ultima Thule.

Speaking of UT, is it just me who don't understand how emet and hythlodaeus draw upon "the scion's hope" to fuel their creation magic? But it's also depends on the WoL to envisioned it? Isn't creation magic solely depends on the caster thoughts?

[EaraGrace]

Really not surprised those who disliked the Ancients since their reveal and felt they "deserved" all this (for their own good, of course!) are now angling toward thinking that Hermes in addition to Venat were both important and necessary. They merely needed permission from the developers to sing his praises.

Depressing... maybe I'll go take a stroll and destroy a planet while I'm at it. They would have ended up dying at some point anyway. Besides, they just didn't hope hard enough or have plot armor!

Man I’m just chiming in with my take, there’s no need to be like this.

I thought he was interesting and the rest of the Ascians less so.

Sue me.

[Lauront]

Aether isn't inherently weaker than dynamis. It's just a matter of ratio.

Dynamis is described as far weaker, if anything.

[Fiel_Tana]

- Venat knew that the ancients couldn't defeat a being made of nearly pure Dynamis: Considering the ancients were composed of such vast amounts of aether. Again, if you paid attention, the more aether one has, the less they are able to interact with dynamis: Meaning the ancients couldn't have defeated Meteion even if they were able to reach her. Yet a secondary reason why Venat chose to sunder mankind. Their aether was basically 1/13th of what it used to be: Allowing them a better connection with dynamis and ultimately, making Meteion's defeat possible.

It's not bad writing: You have bad reading comprehension or a short attention span.

Metion and her sisters were created by Hermes, so therefore ancients can interact with dynamis in that way, they can make creations with thin aether and dense dynamis.

Elpis flowers (made of dynamis) reacted to the ancients, they are always white in Elpis unless Hermes is near and they pick up on his depression. That’s a major plot point and proves that ancients can influence dynamis creations.

In Ultima Thule, a zone that we are led to believe is purely dynamis, Emet & Hythlo show up to create Elpis flowers using creation magic AND 'weave the fabric of reality' to make the zone survivable for us (oxygen etc.) as seen in this scene:

Hythlodeus:
“As you’ve called us to the stage, so shall we perform. And creation magicks never fail to please.”
“Drawing upon the hopes of your comrades, we will make for you a new path.”
Emet-Selch:
“What form that path takes depends on you. So focus - focus and envision that which rejects the claim that you cannot atain your goal.”
Hythlodeus:
“Ours is the wisdom to weave the fabric of reality…”
“Ours is the power to create!”
Emet *SNAP* The field of elpis flowers appears. (Dynamis flowers, created in a dynamis zone by aether dense ancients.)

Emet-Selch (later in this scene):
“In case the practical implications are lost on you, your comrades no longer need to fight their fight.”
“So go on, call them back to your side.”

So their power is not limited simple creation magic even whilst inside a dynamis influenced zone, they are easily able to alter that zone itself into one that is fully survivable for aether based creatures.

Also, judging by the fact that Zodiark's Aether shield held up for 12,000 years against the endsingers onslaught, despite Zodiark being sundered, seems to show that Aether is strong against dynamis and in no way shows that as a weakness.

So, where does the story prove the theory that "the ancients couldn't defeat a being made of nearly pure Dynamis"? I guess with my bad reading comprehension or short attention span I must have missed it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[EaraGrace]

Metion and her sisters were created by Hermes, so therefore ancients can interact with dynamis in that way, they can make creations with thin aether and dense dynamis.

Elpis flowers (made of dynamis) reacted to the ancients, they are always white in Elpis unless Hermes is near and they pick up on his depression. That’s a major plot point and proves that ancients can influence dynamis creations.

In Ultima Thule, a zone that we are led to believe is purely dynamis, Emet & Hythlo show up to create Elpis flowers using creation magic AND 'weave the fabric of reality' to make the zone survivable for us (oxygen etc.) as seen in this scene:

Hythlodeus:
“As you’ve called us to the stage, so shall we perform. And creation magicks never fail to please.”
“Drawing upon the hopes of your comrades, we will make for you a new path.”
Emet-Selch:
“What form that path takes depends on you. So focus - focus and envision that which rejects the claim that you cannot atain your goal.”
Hythlodeus:
“Ours is the wisdom to weave the fabric of reality…”
“Ours is the power to create!”
Emet *SNAP* The field of elpis flowers appears. (Dynamis flowers, created in a dynamis zone by aether dense ancients.)

Emet-Selch (later in this scene):
“In case the practical implications are lost on you, your comrades no longer need to fight their fight.”
“So go on, call them back to your side.”

So their power is not limited simple creation magic even whilst inside a dynamis influenced zone, they are easily able to alter that zone itself into one that is fully survivable for aether based creatures.

Also, judging by the fact that Zodiark's Aether shield held up for 12,000 years against the endsingers onslaught, despite Zodiark being sundered, seems to show that Aether is strong against dynamis and in no way shows that as a weakness.

So, where does the story prove the theory that "the ancients couldn't defeat a being made of nearly pure Dynamis"? I guess with my bad reading comprehension or short attention span I must have missed it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Now let’s not forget the line that precedes that.

Meteion: What are you?

Emet: Half-faded souls of the dead. Isn’t it painfully obvious?

Emet: Worry not - We haven’t the power to defeat you. Nor is it our duty to do so, not anymore.

So yeah you could actually have Ancients manipulate Dynamis.

You’d just have to kill them first, let their souls degrade in the sea, then have them use the hope fueled Dynamis generated by a group of Sundered and presto! Ancients manipulating dynamis.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Now let’s not forget the line that precedes that.



So yeah you could actually have Ancients manipulate Dynamis.

You’d just have to kill them first, let their souls degrade in the sea, then have them use the hope fueled Dynamis generated by a group of Sundered and presto! Ancients manipulating dynamis.

I like how you completely disregard the rest of their post which gives other forms of proof they found indirectly manipulate it