What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[KizuyaKatogami]

Death is a needed just as much as life is.

Mass death isn’t needed though. People need to realize, the sundered world is unnatural. It isn’t the norm in this game setting. The ancient world is what is considered natural, so while it may seek unnatural to us because of the real world, in the game setting that isnt the case. The sundering wasn’t a natural event. Dying to illness isn’t a natural thing.

[NanaWiloh]

I don't think anyone said that it wasn't. There was death before the Sundering, just not in the mass quantities that it occurs in now. Splitting the world into 14 and introducing forced mortality, disease and strife has caused almost the most death in the universe. Second only to the Hermes/Meteion duo if it is correct that Meteion "helped" many a civilization across the threshold of despair which led to their ends.

Edit: Not to mention creating 7 throwaway worlds that you knew would have to be destroyed in order to craft your perfect little "spark" of the future.

More life =more death nothing new..

[PawPaw]

More life =more death nothing new..

The robbing of the ability to choose when you die, plus the introduction of brief lifespans, disease, war and strife is what=more death. Even if there were 14 worlds full of Ancients with the ability to decide when they wished to return to the star you still wouldn't have the numbers incurred by the wanton destruction and forced aftermath of the Sundering.

[NanaWiloh]

Mass death isn’t needed though. People need to realize, the sundered world is unnatural. It isn’t the norm in this game setting. The ancient world is what is considered natural, so while it may seek unnatural to us because of the real world, in the game setting that isnt the case. The sundering wasn’t a natural event. Dying to illness isn’t a natural thing.

O.o *facepalms*

[CrownySuccubus]

O.o *facepalms*

I don't know, dude. Kizuya's making sense to me.

Just because death is inevitable doesn't mean it isn't delayable. Personally, I rather enjoy that humans have a life expectancy higher than 30 these days.

[NanaWiloh]

The robbing of the ability to choose when you die, plus the introduction of brief lifespans, disease, war and strife is what=more death. Even if there were 14 worlds full of Ancients with the ability to decide when they wished to return to the star you still wouldn't have the numbers incurred by the wanton destruction and forced aftermath of the Sundering.

Yes the anceints embraced...ya wont go there.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Completely agree with you. I told a friend of mine while playing Endwalker that my biggest criticism of the Elpis storyline was that "It felt like everything that happens for the next 12,000 years would have been preventable if the characters were competent."



Was this always the case, or did they simply learn how to eliminate disease through science?

Venat's "mankind was spared suffering for a short time" statement makes me believe that the Ancients might have been more mortal and vulnerable once.

I don’t think it’s outright stated but, given Emet-Selch’s reaction to his son dying of illness, it seems like it was something completely unknown to him. So either it was eradicated a long time ago or they’re just completely immune to such things. May be just a side effect of their dense aether.

[NanaWiloh]

I don't know, dude. Kizuya's making sense to me.

Just because death is inevitable doesn't mean it isn't delayable. Personally, I rather enjoy that humans have a life expectancy higher than 30 these days.

It makes sense to me as well. Delaying death is fine, saying its not needed is igornace.

[KizuyaKatogami]

It makes sense to me as well. Delaying death is fine, saying its not needed is igornace.

I think most people agree with that though. It’s why a few people here were confused when someone saw the ancients as choosing when to die and returning to the lifestream as something bad, when in reality they were basically immortal and if they didn’t do that overpopulation would be a major problem.

[NanaWiloh]

I think most people agree with that though. It’s why a few people here were confused when someone saw the ancients as choosing when to die and returning to the lifestream as something bad, when in reality they were basically immortal and if they didn’t do that overpopulation would be a major problem.

Exactly over population, death is natures way of controling a species population. Thats why I said death is needed..life and death keep each other in check.