What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Theodric]

The Ancients are dead and forgotten. Get over it.

Moenbryda died in ARR and Haurchefant died in HW, though both have been brought up repeatedly over the years. There's no reason to believe that the Ancients will never be mentioned again, especially with the popularity of the likes of Emet and Venat.

You're free to dislike them, though clearly there's plenty of people who do like them and are interested in their legacy being remembered as the story advances. Which in itself was a major plot point towards the end of Shadowbringers, as I recall.

Though I think that's likely a bit too much nuance for fly by posters with questionable takes to grasp, I suppose.

[KizuyaKatogami]

So are most of the named Ancients.

And most of the sundered as well. Your point?

[Caurcas]

The usual Ancient Derangement Syndrome at play, then. That explains that.

I mean I dislike the whole of the ancients plot line my dude. Venat included. But if we are mounting attacks on each other, which honestly isn't all that out of the ordinary for the pro ancients camp, then sure I guess?

[Theodric]

You should probably go and do the Elpis side quests and Pandaemonium if you truly believe that the Ancients never had any issues in which they had to deal with. It's also worth noting that, as per the recent lore focused live letter linked earlier in the thread, the Ancients being on a trajectory to the equivalent of the Plenty was very much Venat's belief rather than a certainty. Though as we know, she wasn't so concerned as to actually bother expressing her fears and instead decided to simply murder every last man, woman and child amongst her own species.

At this point, though, certain posters give me the impression of being the type of individual to look at a smiling family with a big house only to fantasise about bad things happening to them on the basis that they aren't suffering exactly like 'real people' are. (Which in itself has always been a silly strawman, since being 'well off' doesn't equal a lack of suffering and problem's in one's life but...I digress).

[CrownySuccubus]

Just wanna say that making the argument “This needed to happen for there to be a story” is like admitting that the story only happened due to contrivance.

[TShimmer]

After lurking this thread for a while, I just wanted to say that I'm quite glad it exists. I don't feel I'm very good at expressing myself well, specially on discussions of this level, but through Endwalker I always found myself constantly disappointed about its story developments, and some outright dumb character moments, sometimes even the lack of moments, like at the fight with Hydaelyn. Even shutting my brain off during Elpis didn't quite help feeling like a letdown. I know that at the end of the day, people that don't like a lot of the story of EW are in the minority, but I'm happy that minority exists, because otherwise I would be questioning what is wrong with me for not being as engaged as seemingly everyone else is into this story.

The only part that I found well done and had me actually caring was the Garlemald portion, and some of Thavnair in isolation. And I'll be forever salty about the fact that we didn't get a Garlemald expansion in favor of, whatever the hell this hope vs despair thing was, and honestly the worst part of it all is how it all came to be, it couldn't just have been a simple story about that, we have to add in closed time loop, a machine that can wipe out memories cause of course, and Venat being the worst.

[DisAstranagant]

After lurking this thread for a while, I just wanted to say that I'm quite glad it exists. I don't feel I'm very good at expressing myself well, specially on discussions of this level, but through Endwalker I always found myself constantly disappointed about its story developments, and some outright dumb character moments, sometimes even the lack of moments, like at the fight with Hydaelyn. Even shutting my brain off during Elpis didn't quite help feeling like a letdown. I know that at the end of the day, people that don't like a lot of the story of EW are in the minority, but I'm happy that minority exists, because otherwise I would be questioning what is wrong with me for not being as engaged as seemingly everyone else is into this story.

Are you me? I have trouble expressing myself and feel I don't have much to add so I only ever lurk here but this thread has been a huge relief (most of the time). Knowing you're not alone really does help!

[Brinne]

Are you me? I have trouble expressing myself and feel I don't have much to add so I only ever lurk here but this thread has been a huge relief (most of the time). Knowing you're not alone really does help!

I really appreciate both of you speaking up! I actually do know another person who's posted in this thread/discussion a while ago in the past, and they've stressed out over it a bit, so I tried to reassure them that I was sure their posts were reassuring and comforting to lurkers who were reluctant to outright say something themselves. And now I am sure that the posts you have made now will be reassuring and comforting for them in turn. The circle continues!

[Lauront]

I really appreciate both of you speaking up! I actually do know another person who's posted in this thread/discussion a while ago in the past, and they've stressed out over it a bit, so I tried to reassure them that I was sure their posts were reassuring and comforting to lurkers who were reluctant to outright say something themselves. And now I am sure that the posts you have made now will be reassuring and comforting for them in turn. The circle continues!

Indeed... as a certain someone put it:

[PawPaw]

I really appreciate both of you speaking up! I actually do know another person who's posted in this thread/discussion a while ago in the past, and they've stressed out over it a bit, so I tried to reassure them that I was sure their posts were reassuring and comforting to lurkers who were reluctant to outright say something themselves. And now I am sure that the posts you have made now will be reassuring and comforting for them in turn. The circle continues!

Yeah, I certainly know how it feels to be nervous about chiming in to established conversations. It's nice to hear that people can find comfort in simply knowing they are not alone even if they're not always completely comfortable with vocalizing that.