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    I find it really jarring they won't tell us what happened to Azem just to preserve people's self inserted role play over critical lore elements that control the entire plot of the game. It's really frustrating to not receive answers because some people might have their immersion broken over it. The fact headcanon is left to Azem's fate, really upsets me as a person who has done extensive lore research over the subject.

    But if I had to guess, Azem probably opposed Hydalyn and Zodiark plans because they thought they could find another solution. Azem probably went out to slay monsters and save lives all the way until the sundered happened. Azem may have even went after Metition, but failed because Dynamis. This seems like most logical outcome if the Scions were to suggest a plan like this in the modern era, the WoL wouldn't kill them but they would probably abandon the cause.. G'arha managed to rewrite the future so its highly probable that Azem thought they could do it too. Infact anyone that knows what the future holds would attempt to rewrite it so this is probably what happened. Azem likely didn't interfere with Zodiark or Hydalyn because they probably never found a solution of their own and time was of essence.

    In addition to that, Yoshi mentions that Venat was very much an ancient like Emet was and I think it's safe to assume that Azem would also be very much like an ancient too. Honestly, why wouldn't they be considering who their friends were? The Azems seem to have a very chaotic good or chaotic neutral personality. I see a lot of people are upset with Venat and morality but I think we need to remember that morals today are going to be very different than that of ancients. You have to remember that the ancients especially in ancient times are going to be Super Boomers. They have creation powers and are aware of reincarnation. They even commit suicide when they retire from work. Trying to apply today's concept of morality retroactively to a civilization of pseudo gods just isn't going to work. Even Emet doesn't consider us truly alive. It's pretty clear that modern morality is not a consideration to these ancients because they have their own. And sacrificing lives does not seem to be a concern among any of the ancients. The Final Days is a problem because it makes you super dead. No reincarnation. And if regular death is the price to prevent super death, all the ancients except for Azem seem to think it worth the sacrifice. Venat probably would have went along with the Zodiark plan had we not interfered. I think we're trying a bit to hard to apply reality logic and morals to a fantasy setting with
    Godds, magic, and a confirmed after life. Its even possible to resurrect the dead. And Hydalyn even lives in that life stream which either adds or removes from her guilt as she interacts with the souls there. I also think living on ancient souls for 12000 years will probably make it pretty difficult to "get with the times and change your ways", so to speak. We're also forgetting that people sacrificed themselves to see Venat's plan through. One ancient even offered to take her spot as Hydalyn for her. So when people want to focus solely on Venat, we need to remember that she had a cult following backing her up and others also willing to commit genocide. Are the ancients even morals?

    Also with Venat as our senior and mentor Azem, it really makes you wonder how much like them was the original Azem? If one Azem was responsible for all of this, what could that say about us?

    The plot is so far into Kingdom Hearts level of confusing that instead of giving us answers, the devs say to head Canon over it if you don't like something.
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    Last edited by Nav_Fae; 02-22-2022 at 06:25 AM.