Sundering stuff established in the Q&A

[Kozh]

Jesus why do we have to get so heated so quickly. I’m having a discussion and giving my viewpoint. Don’t like it, say I disagree. There’s no need to raise the temp.

Pure irony.

We’ll first whether she was “maintaining the time loop” remains unclear.

Dude, it's very clear she attempted to, at the very least, reach that time convergence. Even if it's not "all according to keikaku", her giving emet the chance to escape is proof of that.

And “working on her own peoples issues” was the Sundering. That was the point, heading down the path they were on would mean doom.

This doesn't make sense at all." working on her people issue" means helping those people to work past their problems, not wiping the slate clean. It's like we burn down uldah back then in ARR for being a corrupt nation and backstabbing the scions.

Yes, I’m sure she loved not being able to tell people. Probably was going “ohhohoho” while she did it.

Lose that attitude. Seriously. No one said she's enjoying it. I acknowledge she feels conflicted about it. But doesn't change that she made a bad questionable choice.

I mean, if they moved on I’d imagine they would then work out a way to defeat Meteion, probably with some form of the Sundering. And if they moved on afterwards they would already have the means to confront despair, considering they’d live imperfect, mortal lives with death an inevitability. The Rejoinings would only be needed if one was aiming to ensure the timelines were the same as you say, but once again whether that was the main intent is up in the air.

First, that rejoining is 100% sure something she knows need to happen and allow it. Otherwise the WoL might have not been born at all.

Second, the Ancients already have the power to overcome despair. Sacrificing half your population requires no small feat amount of conviction. Dynamis utilize all kind of energy after all.

And I ask again, how do you expect them to "move on" if they didn't even hear meteion report? They're race that's borderline immortal and very rarely died against their own free will. Saying things like "move on please" while not explaining the reason behind it is dumb. Why should they listen when they have the means to brought back their lost friends?

[EaraGrace]

Pure irony.

I do at least try to be understanding and try to see the perspective of those disagree with me, until it’s made clear that it’s not reciprocated.

Dude, it's very clear she attempted to, at the very least, reach that time convergence. Even if it's not "all according to keikaku", her giving emet the chance to escape is proof of that.

Yet she reacts with surprise when we mention Elpis.

Or what about her statement when leave to go back to our time? (Combined speech in all four languages)



Hmmmm, this doesn’t sound like a person wholly dedicated to one future does it?

This doesn't make sense at all." working on her people issue" means helping those people to work past their problems, not wiping the slate clean. It's like we burn down uldah back then in ARR for being a corrupt nation and backstabbing the scions.

I’d think dividing her people to such an extent as to require Elidibus to return would denote effort.

Lose that attitude. Seriously. No one said she's enjoying it. I acknowledge she feels conflicted about it. But doesn't change that she made a bad questionable choice.

At this point why should I. All I get for my opinions is sneering and condescension. Why should I offer anymore good faith in these conversations?

First, that rejoining is 100% sure something she knows need to happen and allow it. Otherwise the WoL might have not been born at all.

Baked into that is the assumption that she only desires one outcome above all others. The fact is she nearly sent the timeline in all sorts of directions during her time as Hydaelyn, for no reason under this perspective. Explain why create WoL in any of the calamities that were necessary to occur. Explain why bother granting the blessing to those in 1.0 who canonically did not survive.

Second, the Ancients already have the power to overcome despair. Sacrificing half your population requires no small feat amount of conviction. Dynamis utilize all kind of energy after all.

Argue this point all you like, the writers clearly don’t agree.

And I ask again, how do you expect them to "move on" if they didn't even hear meteion report? They're race that's borderline immortal and very rarely died against their own free will. Saying things like "move on please" while not explaining the reason behind it is dumb. Why should they listen when they have the means to brought back their lost friends?

Idk, maybe by stating a clear fact that death is a natural part of life and desperately clinging to the idea that suffering and unforeseen ends can be prevented in their entirety is a recipe for destruction.