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    Player EaraGrace's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rulakir View Post
    I've no doubt people disagree about what's subjective. The past two years have taught me that individuals have fundamentally different beliefs on what is right with some feeling fully justified in forcing others to adhere to their version of it. It doesn't, however, give them an excuse to act against others. Near as I can tell, the Amaurotines had a democracy that was overthrown by Venat.
    If morality is subjective, then wouldn’t it be impossible to say that someone is wrong for acting against others? After all, if I’m simply following my subjective moral principles, then am I not acting in the right as much as anyone else? What right would you have to judge anyone, if it’s all subjective?

    Quote Originally Posted by tokinokanatae View Post
    I agree that sometimes good characters do bad things, but I don't think I've seen a good character as untrusting as Venat is.

    I'll use an example from Endwalker. Imagine if, after we killed Zodiark, we told absolutely no one that the Final Days would restart due to him no longer shielding the planet. In fact, we don't tell anyone he's dead. Even further, if we, in fact, swore the Watcher to secrecy about this, because we were "afraid the citystates would panic" or "Urianger isn't as trustworthy as I'd like, so it's better to keep him in the dark."

    Then we watch, silently, as the Final Days begin again. We watch as people die, forever parted from the aetherial sea and the cycle of rebirth. We watch as the Scions desperately try to figure out what could have possibly started the Final Days up again, wasting time and covering ground we already have intimate knowledge of.

    But, since we're not Venat, we did what we did instead.
    Wouldn’t that depend entirely on the why though? This comparison only works if you believe that telling anyone would compromise the response to the Final Days, as was the case during the first one.

    Not to mention, most people didn’t know about Meteion or despair or dynamis. Going through the role action quests you see the citizenry by and large ignorant to things. I just did the Ishgard one, and the citizens believed the blasphemy to just be another transformed heretic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kozh View Post
    What calamity? Once zodiark is summoned and shield ethyris, they're fine. Even after sundered for 12k years the barrier still hold fine. And they manage to be solve their own challenges and problems just fine before zodiark, so why would they need him for something trivial? The Ancients were sad by the fact that the sacrificed souls could not return to the star, so much so that they intended to sacrifice new lifes in order to free them. It's not a simple "oh no, my concepts isn't working as intended, better summon lord zodiark to fix it lol".
    Pandaemonium? The Omicron? Ultima? Some other alien race? Whatever the hell we’re gonna be working against for the next 10 years?

    And just because they’ve managed so far says nothing about what the future holds. The Ea did just fine for longer, until they didn’t. The Omicron did just fine, until they didn’t. The dragons did perfectly fine, until they didn’t.

    It’s inevitable they’ll face another challenge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kozh View Post
    That's a possibility, true. Just fyi, what I meant by first explanation is the writer intentionally make things vague to keep us in the dark.
    Ah my apologies then I misunderstood what you meant.
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    Last edited by EaraGrace; 02-18-2022 at 04:07 PM.