Dark Knight Megathread

[Colt47]

To be fair, I think they had to make a choice between DRK and Summoner on reworks, and the Summoner definitely needed more help than DRK did during Shadowbringers. However, when they brought all the jobs into that new 60 second window the problems with DRKs lack of a solid direction ended up coming to the fore. I'd totally expect this job to be the target of a mid-expansion to 7.0 rework for sure.

Also it is interesting to see people talk about DRKs current burst windows because this is reminding me a lot of old summoner burst windows, though probably a touch more forgiving since it's just blood weapon that lacks charges.

[Marxam]

To be fair, I think they had to make a choice between DRK and Summoner on reworks, and the Summoner definitely needed more help than DRK did during Shadowbringers. However, when they brought all the jobs into that new 60 second window the problems with DRKs lack of a solid direction ended up coming to the fore. I'd totally expect this job to be the target of a mid-expansion to 7.0 rework for sure.

Also it is interesting to see people talk about DRKs current burst windows because this is reminding me a lot of old summoner burst windows, though probably a touch more forgiving since it's just blood weapon that lacks charges.

all they had to do was revert to 4.0 DRK. AST got some of its toolkit reverted to 4.0 and Astrodyne basically has Ewer, Arrow and Balance all in one if you get 3 different seals. Needless to say, pushing DRK into higher DPS to warrant a crappier invul and defensive cds is not a consolation prize. If dps between the tanks was within 1-3% there would be very little incentive to bring a DRK over another tank. I'm also not fond of double weaving with tanks as it leaves little room to use a defensive cd. You know, the thing that tanks should be actively doing? During burst tell me when you can fit a TBN during those double weaves without clipping gcds and I will concede that DRK has the best tank rework in 6.0.

DRK is scuffed and saying that its good because of its high DPS shows what's wrong with the job. On the other hand, ppl are saying WAR has great defensive cds, which is what tank players should want in a tank.

[Malthir]

all they had to do was revert to 4.0 DRK. AST got some of its toolkit reverted to 4.0 and Astrodyne basically has Ewer, Arrow and Balance all in one if you get 3 different seals. Needless to say, pushing DRK into higher DPS to warrant a crappier invul and defensive cds is not a consolation prize. If dps between the tanks was within 1-3% there would be very little incentive to bring a DRK over another tank. I'm also not fond of double weaving with tanks as it leaves little room to use a defensive cd. You know, the thing that tanks should be actively doing? During burst tell me when you can fit a TBN during those double weaves without clipping gcds and I will concede that DRK has the best tank rework in 6.0.

DRK is scuffed and saying that its good because of its high DPS shows what's wrong with the job. On the other hand, ppl are saying WAR has great defensive cds, which is what tank players should want in a tank.

It's not scuffed it's just boring. Scuffed would be like the paladin how they NEEDED the dps increase they were functionally broken.
Drk was boring in Stormblood too they just also happened to be OP and boring, Drk back in Stormblood were even closer to warriors now.

[Absurdity]

During burst tell me when you can fit a TBN during those double weaves without clipping gcds and I will concede that DRK has the best tank rework in 6.0.

Yeah, that is one of the major issues with how Dark Knight feels to play. DrK's burst windows aren't complicated, they're just annoying because the toolkit is bloated with oGCDs every 60 seconds (and especially bloated every 2 minutes) and then 45 seconds of just spamming Souleater combo until the next burst.

On it's own this wouldn't be a problem but I noticed that the current fight design also has most mechanic spam happening during your burst phases. So you end up with a tank that is absolute busywork when the fight becomes hectic (dealing with tank mechanics, mitigating damage, doing your burst and dealing with whatever other mechanics are happening) and then incredibly dull gameplay when nothing interesting is happening in the fight either.

[Colt47]

Yeah, that is one of the major issues with how Dark Knight feels to play. DrK's burst windows aren't complicated, they're just annoying because the toolkit is bloated with oGCDs every 60 seconds (and especially bloated every 2 minutes) and then 45 seconds of just spamming Souleater combo until the next burst.

On it's own this wouldn't be a problem but I noticed that the current fight design also has most mechanic spam happening during your burst phases. So you end up with a tank that is absolute busywork when the fight becomes hectic (dealing with tank mechanics, mitigating damage, doing your burst and dealing with whatever other mechanics are happening) and then incredibly dull gameplay when nothing interesting is happening in the fight either.

Yeah, I mean it's busier than just about all the dedicated melee DPS jobs, though to be fair I haven't delved into ninja lately so I can't say on that one. I just know that RPR and SAM are definitely miles easier to deal with than DRK.