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    NzomiKujo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    The only way the GMs/STF would be able to detect the use of Alexander (or any third-party program) would be to install a separate software onto a player’s computer that scans each of XIV’s files and the computer’s system for these tools and/or any modifications. However, this sort of software is illegal in a lot of countries (including Japan, last I checked), and with this being a global game, SE attempting to attach it to XIV would be impossible.
    They could use nProtect GameGuard like PSO2, if it detects any 3rd party program running that the game devs dont like it gives you Error 1013 and force you to close the game, crashes the game or gives BSOD. If that's not enough, implement checksum file that the game checks and updates regularly while you're online.
    In PSO2 if the devs find people using parser they ban accounts without warning for cheating.

    I guess the anti parser people would be happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NzomiKujo View Post
    They could use nProtect GameGuard like PSO2, if it detects any 3rd party program running that the game devs dont like it gives you Error 1013 and force you to close the game, crashes the game or gives BSOD. If that's not enough, implement checksum file that the game checks and updates regularly while you're online.
    In PSO2 if the devs find people using parser they ban accounts without warning for cheating.

    I guess the anti parser people would be happy.
    I can't quite give you a short summary of how funny this is to anyone who knows about OverParse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhysati View Post
    Okay great. But if it's random, any tool would be unable to predict it. You know why? Because they get their info from the server at the same time your client does. There is literally nothing any tool could do to somehow read the future.
    In E4S, Cactbot would tell you the safespots for the left/right punches, which were random and only communicated via an animation, before the animation tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naizakane View Post
    In E4S, Cactbot would tell you the safespots for the left/right punches, which were random and only communicated via an animation, before the animation tell.
    So...the game communicated it to your client, you didn't notice as quickly as the plugin did so...it's psychic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhysati View Post
    So...the game communicated it to your client, you didn't notice as quickly as the plugin did so...it's psychic?
    ?

    Once the game decided what action the boss will do that data is send to all players and is sniffed by said addon to create a warning. If said addon is showing a warning even before any animation happens it's just mean said information was already there but not necessary accessible to anyone without said addon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhysati View Post
    So...the game communicated it to your client, you didn't notice as quickly as the plugin did so...it's psychic?
    Again, the information was given BEFORE the first animation cue. Players, no matter how inhuman their reaction speed, would not yet have had any information from which to glean where to go.

    That's the kind of thing that wouldn't happen at this point in WoW, for instance, because they don't send that kind of information as would be player-readable until the moment of actuation (at which point it would just be a matter of a plugin yelling at you what the visual information was already simultaneously telling you).

    But as it stands, XIV offers up a significant amount of information to the client that can be read early, just not through in-game tells. That's left policing what should and should not be offered by plugins up to plugin distributors to curate or ban as they see fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Again, the information was given BEFORE the first animation cue. Players, no matter how inhuman their reaction speed, would not yet have had any information from which to glean where to go.

    That's the kind of thing that wouldn't happen at this point in WoW, for instance, because they don't send that kind of information as would be player-readable until the moment of actuation (at which point it would just be a matter of a plugin yelling at you what the visual information was already simultaneously telling you).

    But as it stands, XIV offers up a significant amount of information to the client that can be read early, just not through in-game tells. That's left policing what should and should not be offered by plugins up to plugin distributors to curate or ban as they see fit.
    Cactbot is rather benign in the bigger picture. It does not make bad players good, its just 100% accurate shot-caller with maybe 1s advantage. If it causes less idiots to ruin PFs by repeatedly failing mechs then this is a good thing.

    Problem is, because modding is not officially supported it makes console players second class citizens. Even PS5 players are playing visually inferior game as PC players don't even need Reshade for that, they can use NVidia Geforce Experience filters to spice the visuals up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    Cactbot is rather benign in the bigger picture. It does not make bad players good, its just 100% accurate shot-caller with maybe 1s advantage. If it causes less idiots to ruin PFs by repeatedly failing mechs then this is a good thing.

    Problem is, because modding is not officially supported it makes console players second class citizens. Even PS5 players are playing visually inferior game as PC players don't even need Reshade for that, they can use NVidia Geforce Experience filters to spice the visuals up.
    Dumbs down any mechanics center around being aware of what the boss is doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    Dumbs down any mechanics center around being aware of what the boss is doing.
    In a way, combat addons like Cactbot (in FFXIV) or DBM/BigWigs (in WoW) are dumb. At the same time, having an additional UI element that pings at you when X bad spell is coming in doesn't really make you a better player. You still have to know what do with mechanics. You still have to know the effective cooldown rotation (say you're getting a timer as a tank because high tank damage is coming in). You still need to know how to effectively deal damage while managing whatever mechanic.

    Having a slightly nicer UI that tracks more doesn't break the game so drastically that it needs to be urgently fixed ASAP. We don't exactly see 50% of players bursting through Savage on the first day, do we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    Dumbs down any mechanics center around being aware of what the boss is doing.
    If people need it to have a chance let them have it. It is not a good substitute for actually knowing what you're doing. Plus cacbot usually doesn't update for new raids for awhile, so those who are dependent on it tend to not be progging week 1.
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    Shinon Hisae
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    Dumbs down any mechanics center around being aware of what the boss is doing.

    You mean as in Zodiark EX, where people just need to follow around that one person with a marker?
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