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    They need to find a way to detect XIV Alexander and ban people

    What the title says. I just found out that it literally tells you things in the game that you shouldn't know prior. For example. WHen you do the Gold Saucer Mini Cactpot, it will LIGHT UP the ones you want to click for the highest reward... That's absurd.

    Further. If any contest comes back like the Firmament, it will literally tell these people what to use each step to get the best quality. It can also adjust their ping to be near zero, allowing them to hit skills/nodes much faster than others. This doesn't need to be allowed and there has got to be a way to detect it. Clearly it's reading something in the game files to allow it to tell you what buttons on the mini cact you wanna click. Which is against ToS.
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    This is some kind of mod?

    Anything like that can only work by reading your game logs / battle chat log.

    They could just clean up what gets spit out to the logs.

    For example... note the DPS parsers people use in FFXIV. They just read your battle chat log. Over in another MMO where addons are actually encouraged: Elder Scrolls Online... they disabled the ability of DPS parsers to be used to shame people by cutting out any information relating to other player's performance from the battle log. You can run a DPS meter, but it will only show you in isolation. People who want a shared meter then have to run one that takes your logs and yells it back out into a private channel for other people with that meter... And raid guilds tend to relay on having people record of a video of them attacking a target dummy to judge applications.

    They could shut off the DPS meters here in a second, by just killing or cropping the combat log.

    And likewise for any 'boss mods' / 'game trick mods'.

    And the DPS meter that only shows you in isolation that you can run in ESO... is actually still extremely useful. I can go read a guide that tells me "execute this well, and you should see a DPS of about X..." and then look at my meter as I try to perfect my skills. And it does exactly what people always claim they're using those meters for anyway: self-training tool.
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    Last edited by Makeda; 01-06-2022 at 06:05 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makeda View Post
    And the DPS meter that only shows you in isolation that you can run in ESO... is actually still extremely useful. I can go read a guide that tells me "execute this well, and you should see a DPS of about X..." and then look at my meter as I try to perfect my skills. And it does exactly what people always claim they're using those meters for anyway: self-training tool.
    I'd like a built-in DPS meter that would compare my output with what I should get if I executed everything perfectly, possibly with suggestions of what I could to to achieve that.
    It should also have a memory that shows each test run against previous saved ones.
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    The only way the GMs/STF would be able to detect the use of Alexander (or any third-party program) would be to install a separate software onto a player’s computer that scans each of XIV’s files and the computer’s system for these tools and/or any modifications. However, this sort of software is illegal in a lot of countries (including Japan, last I checked), and with this being a global game, SE attempting to attach it to XIV would be impossible.
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    "The only way the GMs/STF would be able to detect the use of Alexander (or any third-party program) would be to install a separate software onto a player’s computer that scans each of XIV’s files and the computer’s system for these tools and/or any modifications. However, this sort of software is illegal in a lot of countries (including Japan, last I checked), and with this being a global game, SE attempting to attach it to XIV would be impossible.
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    Scanning the GAME FILES is legal. Anything outside of that is not. And to my knowledge, XIV Alexander would have to be installed IN the game files to read the data going on on screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lecru View Post
    "The only way the GMs/STF would be able to detect the use of Alexander (or any third-party program) would be to install a separate software onto a player’s computer that scans each of XIV’s files and the computer’s system for these tools and/or any modifications. However, this sort of software is illegal in a lot of countries (including Japan, last I checked), and with this being a global game, SE attempting to attach it to XIV would be impossible.
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    Scanning the GAME FILES is legal. Anything outside of that is not. And to my knowledge, XIV Alexander would have to be installed IN the game files to read the data going on on screen.
    It’s actually not. In EU countries, installing these “anti-cheat” softwares that behave like rootkits is illegal. Aside from the privacy concerns involved, rootkits themselves can have various other side-effects on your system. Software like this that has been incorporated into other games has faced huge amounts of backlash from playerbases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    It’s actually not. In EU countries, installing these “anti-cheat” softwares that behave like rootkits is illegal. Aside from the privacy concerns involved, rootkits themselves can have various other side-effects on your system. Software like this that has been incorporated into other games has faced huge amounts of backlash from playerbases.
    Not really, plenty of games have stuff like that and are ok in EU. Most famous one that come to mind with a very intrusive anti-cheat system will be Valorant, Blizzard also check your files and is ok in EU. At the end of the day that stuff just block wannabe hackers, but those that know what they are doing or a willing to pay for cheats will by pass that barrier. Still, if SE decided to add it the player base will do the typical mental gymnastic of: only cheaters are against it, why do you care if you already use X social media and similars (same mental gymnastic certain people to justify certain addons/mods).

    Anyway, SE should allow addons for all platforms and just break anything they consider too much. Having certain addons give you and advantage over other players and that's sucks when console players are involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    The only way the GMs/STF would be able to detect the use of Alexander (or any third-party program) would be to install a separate software onto a player’s computer that scans each of XIV’s files and the computer’s system for these tools and/or any modifications. However, this sort of software is illegal in a lot of countries (including Japan, last I checked), and with this being a global game, SE attempting to attach it to XIV would be impossible.
    They could use nProtect GameGuard like PSO2, if it detects any 3rd party program running that the game devs dont like it gives you Error 1013 and force you to close the game, crashes the game or gives BSOD. If that's not enough, implement checksum file that the game checks and updates regularly while you're online.
    In PSO2 if the devs find people using parser they ban accounts without warning for cheating.

    I guess the anti parser people would be happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NzomiKujo View Post
    They could use nProtect GameGuard like PSO2, if it detects any 3rd party program running that the game devs dont like it gives you Error 1013 and force you to close the game, crashes the game or gives BSOD. If that's not enough, implement checksum file that the game checks and updates regularly while you're online.
    In PSO2 if the devs find people using parser they ban accounts without warning for cheating.

    I guess the anti parser people would be happy.
    I can't quite give you a short summary of how funny this is to anyone who knows about OverParse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhysati View Post
    Okay great. But if it's random, any tool would be unable to predict it. You know why? Because they get their info from the server at the same time your client does. There is literally nothing any tool could do to somehow read the future.
    In E4S, Cactbot would tell you the safespots for the left/right punches, which were random and only communicated via an animation, before the animation tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naizakane View Post
    In E4S, Cactbot would tell you the safespots for the left/right punches, which were random and only communicated via an animation, before the animation tell.
    So...the game communicated it to your client, you didn't notice as quickly as the plugin did so...it's psychic?
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