They need to find a way to detect XIV Alexander and ban people

[solimiano]

And it's probably why they said from the beginning they don't want to install software or put in any checks to see if you got the mods/plugins. But it's also true they banned a bunch of players for streaming with said plugins.
But this doesn't matter, my opinion doesn't matter, neither does any of your opinions, we all signed a contract and agreed that we will pay X amount of currency to square-enix to use their software, any breach on part means they can remove our access; and that is the only thing that matters at the end of day.
I have been reading the thread so far and none of our opinions matter because we signed a contract, and like in any other situation of our lives we can face the consequences for breaking said contract. It doesn't matter if it's fair or not fair, if it works or doesn't work, it it makes it better or worse. We signed a contract, if you break the rules you face the penalty.

[Absimiliard]

Non-invasive third-party tools have always been a grey area. There's long been an unspoken "don't ask, don't tell" policy surrounding them. The development team has always known they're there, and in some cases the quality-of-life features provided by certain plugins have even been adapted into the game proper. In any case, they've made their intentions clear - there will be no hunting down and banning of plugin users. If people are stupid enough to go public with their usage thereof, that's one thing. Using them quietly and privately is another matter entirely.

To note: a probable major contributing factor to the game's lack of anti-cheat software is Japanese law. Japan has laws that forbid both the modification of software (i.e. the use of mods, for our purposes in this thread, although such laws obviously have no bearing on players beyond Japan's borders) and sampling of data from said software. It also has laws that forbid the use of invasive software such as would be required to determine whether or not a player is utilizing third-party tools or modifying game files.

[ScarletL1995]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU < - This is Yoshi literally comparing the most popular 3rd party program to a calculator or Excel spreadsheet. He also describes in great detail his feelings on the matter and why!

His stance will NEVER change on Third Party tools but not because the program is bad as he admitted it doesn't violate any rules really, but because of the issues of how people will use them like HARASSMENT or taking away the casual play that they want people to be able to enjoy.

He says he won't watch your computer, he says that he doesn't really care about the program. He describes what bothers him and why the rules are there!

So how about instead of being whiny about something, actually take the time to listen and find out what the REAL PROBLEMS ARE that you are committing right now with your complaining!

Because lets be honest, most of you who are whining about this are committing the actual problems Yoshi has on this issue because you are OVERLY JUDGEMENT of people who play and literally the REAL PROBLEM with the gaming community.

Edited ... to be clear, I am not saying that I do or do not use them. What I am saying is that I don't like people who are complaining about other people because they sit on their high horse looking down on the rest of the world. Basically, the stuck up people who think they are better then everyone else. Just wanted to be clear that I am not saying that you should or should not use 3rd party tools. What I am saying is mind your own damn business. If SE wants to make an issue of this, they will and those people will be dealt with. It is for them to decide, not you, how how they want to manage their game. If you don't like it, create your own game to manage!

Let people play the way they want to play and stop being DAMN BABIES about it! The fact that you are complaining about it is literally AGAINST THE TOS! Violation numbers 3.2 and 3.6! If you want to know that they are, here is a copy and paste straight from their TOS (https://support.na.square-enix.com/r...2&tag=users_en)

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

3.6 Any Illegal Activities. You may not conduct any illegal activities whatsoever in connection with the Game. This includes every illegal activity not specifically highlighted above, including without limitation gambling, defamation, harassment, and fraud.

You are disrupting and harassing people with your complaining so you can stop now!

Disclaimer: I am not here to promote or complain about the 3rd party tools. I could care less if someone uses them or not because at the end of the day it is none of my damn business. So don't take this post as a means to say that I use them because I never said anything like that. I just don't like people who are stuck up snobs who are judgemental about other people. Who the heck are you to look down on anyone because you think you are better then they are?

If Yoshi had a problem with these issues, he would go out of his way to make sure that those tools could not be used (encryption of data and such). If you have a problem with the way they are managing the game, then instead of coming here and whining about it, how about you create your own game with your own rules that you can enforce as you see fit! Because people like you that complain and whine are the true problems and the real reason of my post! You disrupt games and ruin experiences for people because you are upset and want to force your issues on others!

So basically this reply is about pointing out the REAL problems in the game, people who disrupt the game for the rest of the community because they want people to play the way they do. Sorry, but I am against people like you who think their way is the only way!

[Canadane]

This is Yoshi literally comparing the most popular 3rd party program to a calculator or Excel spreadsheet.

His stance on ACT is that of a gamer and he understands it's "not" cheating. It hasn't been the first time he has to mention the grey area of that specific application.
This doesn't translate to actual cheaters using other programs at all.

[Raoabolic]

His stance on ACT is that of a gamer and he understands it's "not" cheating. It hasn't been the first time he has to mention the grey area of that specific application.
This doesn't translate to actual cheaters using other programs at all.

It does in the fact that bad/lazy people will always exist. It the age old discussion of gun ownership. One side says that bad guys kill with guns while the other side says that it's a defensive tool at worst and a hobby at best. Bad apples will always exist, too bad they dictate what everyone has, or doesn't, have access to. Personally, I think there should be a basic IQ test for anyone casting a vote for city/municipal issues so that the only ones who cast a vote actually has a handle on what they are voting for. It isn't gonna happen though. 3rd party tools are in the same situation, though you have to ask how it's personally hampering your own personal gameplay. Besides, no game is going to be free of 3rd party tools, discord and parsers will always exist as long as you provide numbers locally. I wonder if SE will go full EA though and introduce a ring zero rootkit into the game, you know, for security! lol

[moroarda]

The entire premise of this thread is really confusing, even without taking into account the swapping between XIVAlexander and XIVLauncher.

In my experience there is an exceedingly small portion of the game's total population that has any real moral stance on third party tools, and to fit into that group you need to both be competing in endgame content and not be using any of these tools yourself. That... doesn't describe that many people, least of all the people that you see here complaining about the existence of something like NoClippy.

In what way does a random DRG being able to double weave with a High Jump or any other thing made possible by a third party tool impact you if you aren't in competition with them as a player? At that point, if you really care about competing you'll likely even the playing field in any way you're able to - this has been part of the proliferation of third party tools throughout the high end raid community.

If you happen to be a high end raider who completely abstains from third party tools, by all means the floor is yours and your complaints are valid. They're moot, but you're entitled to the soapbox.

At the end of the day SE isn't some boogeyman out to ban people, they're a company that would like to keep their giant money printer running. As long as these tools aren't causing significant hardship to any players (and to be clear, they are not) there won't be any action taken against using them because to do so would be bad business. You can say what you like about SE as a company, but they're good businesspeople who know clearly understand how to cultivate and maintain a fanbase who will fork over money for whatever they put out - and I don't even mean that in a disparaging way, as I count myself amongst those fans.

[VerdeLuck]

The entire premise of this thread is really confusing, even without taking into account the swapping between XIVAlexander and XIVLauncher.

In my experience there is an exceedingly small portion of the game's total population that has any real moral stance on third party tools, and to fit into that group you need to both be competing in endgame content and not be using any of these tools yourself. That... doesn't describe that many people, least of all the people that you see here complaining about the existence of something like NoClippy.

In what way does a random DRG being able to double weave with a High Jump or any other thing made possible by a third party tool impact you if you aren't in competition with them as a player? At that point, if you really care about competing you'll likely even the playing field in any way you're able to - this has been part of the proliferation of third party tools throughout the high end raid community.

If you happen to be a high end raider who completely abstains from third party tools, by all means the floor is yours and your complaints are valid. They're moot, but you're entitled to the soapbox.

At the end of the day SE isn't some boogeyman out to ban people, they're a company that would like to keep their giant money printer running. As long as these tools aren't causing significant hardship to any players (and to be clear, they are not) there won't be any action taken against using them because to do so would be bad business. You can say what you like about SE as a company, but they're good businesspeople who know clearly understand how to cultivate and maintain a fanbase who will fork over money for whatever they put out - and I don't even mean that in a disparaging way, as I count myself amongst those fans.

The thread is a troll thread that was meant to farm reactions during DSR streams when this was a hot button issue, someone necroed it to try to bait reactions. Stop bumping it. Most people don't care about plugins as long as they don't give a significant advantage over others, aren't required by content, and other people aren't forcing them to install it.
Most people don't care if you install ACT or XIVA, but if their static leader tells them to install both or they're kicked, then they're going to be mad.

[ChrisRedfield2]

What the title says. I just found out that it literally tells you things in the game that you shouldn't know prior. For example. WHen you do the Gold Saucer Mini Cactpot, it will LIGHT UP the ones you want to click for the highest reward... That's absurd.

Further. If any contest comes back like the Firmament, it will literally tell these people what to use each step to get the best quality. It can also adjust their ping to be near zero, allowing them to hit skills/nodes much faster than others. This doesn't need to be allowed and there has got to be a way to detect it. Clearly it's reading something in the game files to allow it to tell you what buttons on the mini cact you wanna click. Which is against ToS.

umm, i think you got the names mixed up