Paladin weakest Tank now

[Rhais]

First of all, someone has to be last.

I hate to break it to you, but Paladin is a tank, not a dps. Your primary job isn't to worry about how much damage you can put out, but holding threat and not dying.

Let the dps focus on dps.

I've never understood the mentality of feeling like you need to pump out as much dps as you can on a job that isn't meant to pump out much dps.

Tanks are tanks, and you'll never be a dps. If your ego absolutely NEEDS that feeling of high numbers to be happy with your gameplay; play a dps.

Holding threat isn't anymore involved than remembering to turn tank stance on when you start an instance. Not dying to tank specific mechanics or damage is little more than using some ogcds when you see the big red indicator or pull the two packs before the gate.

SE has trivialized tank specific mechanics. Most of a tanks gameplay consists of doing dps. How can you claim then that they should not be concerned with that element of their gameplay? How can anyone seriously claim that holding threat is a primary element of the job at this stage in the game? It's an absurd statement.

[Somnolence]

Tanks are tanks, and you'll never be a dps.

Tanks do 70% of DPS damage now in savage, which effectively ensures that good tanks easily outdps bad/under-geared dps in normal content and makes slight difference in their damage output matter more in high end content as they are bigger part of overall group dps.

[Somnolence]

actually in P1S PLD beat WAR

Isn't this is because stupid PF strats force MT to take damage down on tiles?

[Claire_Pendragon]

Isn't this is because stupid PF strats force MT to take damage down on tiles?

I think it might be how a number of them have red outside of melee range, despite being able to be max melee. (along with WARs sustain making them prime MTs, and most likely to get dmg down)

[Weetzlo]

Well considering its comparing the single highest DPS yet recorded for that fight as PLD vs the single highest DPS yet recorded for that fight as WAR I think its reasonable to assume both jobs had the opportunity to OT and also both had the benefit of a coordinated static so my assumption is that the disparity comes from uptime against the flare version of the buster and things like that

[Somnolence]

Well considering its comparing the single highest DPS yet recorded for that fight as PLD vs the single highest DPS yet recorded for that fight as WAR I think its reasonable to assume both jobs had the opportunity to OT and also both had the benefit of a coordinated static so my assumption is that the disparity comes from uptime against the flare version of the buster and things like that

This fight has full uptime with proper positioning so I doubt this is the issue with coordinated statics.

Seems you are talking just about a single outlier with high crit rng, PLDs are behind on this fight like on others on overall stats.

[Weetzlo]

'That PLD get lucky with crits which nobody has done yet as WAR even though its the most poplar tank among top 50 teams by a wide margin' sounds weird to me, but alright. The original point I was trying to make anyway wasn't that PLD is DPS king or anything, only that it has perfectly fine performance and even a niche to fill when called for. The "High Damage" tanks DRK and GNB both do a bit over 5300 DPS and the "Low Damage" tanks both do just shy of 5100. They're all super in line with each other especially within their sub role. So DRK being DPS king isn't enough to justify it being in the weird place it is now. PLD being in last place, even if it were true in every single fight in the game, isn't enough to justify the "sky is falling" attitude.

[Satarn]

So DRK being DPS king isn't enough to justify it being in the weird place it is now.

Aaaand there you have it folks, the reason why PLD can't get buffed - because DRK has issues.

Bud, this isn't a "DRK is op and shouldn't get buffed" thread. DRK can have sustain problem and PLD a damage problem simultaneously. A lot of people who think PLD should get buffed also agree that DRK should get some sustain and QoL (or, you know, actual cohesive job design). Both can be true at the same time. In fact buffing PLD would make it even more apparent that DRK's state is not okay and thus a bit more likely it'd get changes as well.

[Ryaduera]

Aaaand there you have it folks, the reason why PLD can't get buffed - because DRK has issues.

Bud, this isn't a "DRK is op and shouldn't get buffed" thread. DRK can have sustain problem and PLD a damage problem simultaneously. A lot of people who think PLD should get buffed also agree that DRK should get some sustain and QoL (or, you know, actual cohesive job design). Both can be true at the same time. In fact buffing PLD would make it even more apparent that DRK's state is not okay and thus a bit more likely it'd get changes as well.

I'm with this guy. DRK needs work but that's not what this thread is for. DRK also needs a different kind of work than PLD does. PLD just needs some tweaks and honestly probably just potency changes. I'd like to see PLD made either more of a main tank role or give its damage the appropriate damage for the off tank position. I have limited experience with Paladin after 4.0 though, so I don't really have much to say. Just bored at work on the forums and found someone to agree with lol.

[Kalaam]

Honestly yeah, PLD's kit and overall design is right the way it is. It just needs number tuning, which isn't "that much work" (still requires careful consideration etc etc for balancing of course, not saying it's easy to get numbers right).