Paladin weakest Tank now

[Weetzlo]

Aaaand there you have it folks, the reason why PLD can't get buffed - because DRK has issues

That's not even kind of what I said and you know it. Why are you acting like its some Gotcha moment that I brought up DRK when the thread OP is literally trying to compare PLD and DRK? The whole idea of been pushing this whole time is that damage is balanced for tanks right now. They damage between the best and worst is closer to 6%, not 10%, and not even a full 2% difference between it's most direct competition. "2% adds up though!" If you break it down per second that's WAR doing the same damage in 59 seconds as PLD in 60. A 9 minute encounter for PLD would take a war 8:51 and even that's not an honest difference since the DPS jobs are doing the heavy lifting in the damage department so tank weight in shortening an encounter is less than that. Damage just doesn't have a big place in the adjustments discussion for tanks right now.

[Undeadfire]

I'm with this guy. DRK needs work but that's not what this thread is for. DRK also needs a different kind of work than PLD does. PLD just needs some tweaks and honestly probably just potency changes. I'd like to see PLD made either more of a main tank role or give its damage the appropriate damage for the off tank position. I have limited experience with Paladin after 4.0 though, so I don't really have much to say. Just bored at work on the forums and found someone to agree with lol.

Paladin is currently on a hybrid tank role, does OT/MT, requires tank swaps later from it's lack of cooldowns.

It's the only tank that operates without raid buff syncing, but currently raid buff syncing for War/Drk/Gnb dominates Pld without issues, put some down time and the Pld will still lose, it needs DPS potency on their Atonement/Blades to keep pace, -16s FoF opener is way stronger than the traditional openers, that's how busted it is. -16s opener was only for syncing with raid mechanics, now it's the best opener for Pld, you cannot do the Reqs/traditional opener for many reasons, traditional opener you're losing out on Reqs potency for buffs, and reqs opener you have to give up goring to keep it rolling. -3s Fof exist but thats to shorten the Atonement burst.

[Falar]

PLD could use a DPS buff to get at least on Warrior's level but man, PLD got so much this expansion. A 2nd awesome combo, more healing, more party buffs, more defensives, it looks like they gave it the most really but just missed the numbers on the potencies by a little bit. I'm sure it'll get addressed at some point, I'm just surprised the patch notes for 6.05 weren't a bit more expansive.

[Satarn]

Well, seems Yoshi P has pretty much confirmed a PLD buff for 6.08. Ngl, I'm surprised they're doing changes again before 6.01, but if it means more frequent fine-tuning then that'd be pretty cool. Not a fan of the whole "let's just bring everyone up to RPR damage instead of doing any nerfs", but not surprised that's their stance, it's not the first time. Power creep, let's go...

[Hammerhorn]

A blind man could see how far behind Paladin is at this point it’s demoralizing to have all this cool kit only to hit like a limp noodle. 500 dps behind the other tanks is 300,000 hit points over the course of a 10min fight its too much of a spread. There’s no Divine Veil strat that’s gonna help make that crap up! That’s like hitting 10 Confiteors in a 25sec window while the Co tank stands there and waits for you to catch up , keep your poster boy propaganda, all the swords fallin from the sky were butter knives wrapped in tin foil.

[Undeadfire]

Well, seems Yoshi P has pretty much confirmed a PLD buff for 6.08. Ngl, I'm surprised they're doing changes again before 6.01, but if it means more frequent fine-tuning then that'd be pretty cool.

Paladin really struggled DPS on 1st week Savage, no utility is going to save it, GNB/DRK/WAR down time multiple times losing more than 4-5 GCDS and yet Paladin still loses to their DPS numbers, it's asinine balancing if this is considered ok by standards, you can't have jobs struggling than others chilling on a day out, hell Gunbreaker Double Down takes out anything no problem.

[Sylvain]

Paladins and Warriors are top tier tanks right now in my opinion.

Also DRK best tank CD ??? Bahahahaha lol looking at all the warriors and paladins literaly soloing trashpacks and bosses.. While a DRK shits himself the moment the healer starts emergency healing someone else...

I bet they'd consider DRK even better tank if they became so squishy they'd be unable to tank but gained repear level of dps

[Lyth]

Rebalancing to keep jobs in roughly the same range is fine and all, but Stormblood and Shadowbringers seem to have set players up with the mindset that PLD is supposed to automatically be top tier in their damage output on top of their superior utility. It's nice that the devs have finally taken steps to reel back that expectation a bit in keeping with job aesthetics. What part of you was thinking 'this will let me do a ton of extra damage' when you picked up an oversized shield to bunker up behind?

[Weetzlo]

Paladin really struggled DPS on 1st week Savage, no utility is going to save it, GNB/DRK/WAR down time multiple times losing more than 4-5 GCDS and yet Paladin still loses to their DPS numbers, it's asinine balancing if this is considered ok by standards, you can't have jobs struggling than others chilling on a day out, hell Gunbreaker Double Down takes out anything no problem.

The fastest run of P4S part 2 yet documented is 8:10. A WAR/PLD team did it in 8:16. That 8:10 is gonna be beat soon, but the 8:16 isn't high level optimum outliers either. Their SMN was having a bad number day, they were using an AST which is the lowest rDPS even with cards. This was a really normal run. If you think a 6 second difference is "really struggling" in a fight with an 11 minute enrage timer then I don't know what to tell you.

[Satarn]

Paladin really struggled DPS on 1st week Savage, no utility is going to save it

The interview statement was literally about PLD's firepower needing an increase, so obviously they're going to buff that, not utility. You'll be getting what you need, so you can chill. Clearly they don't consider it "ok" after seeing actual numbers in action. They just screwed up the expac launch numbers, as they pretty much always do on multiple jobs.