Paladin weakest Tank now

[Lyth]

GNB is also a 'one combo' job. Too bad that both of these 'one combo' jobs have higher APM through oGCDs, along with actual resource management.

[NightHour]

TBN's BIGGEST problem is it costs 1/3rd of the DRK's damage resource.

You can legit fire and forget the other 3, you don't need 100% value out of BW, HS, HoC.


You MUST have TBN pop every single use or you lose 460 potency of damage every time the shield doesn't break.



Just increase TBN's cooldown to 25 seconds and remove the MP cost already.

MAYBE then it'll be able to stand up to BW, HS or HoC.



Another idea - Make it so the DRK gets the Dark Arts proc on expiration or shield being absorbed fully.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

TBN's BIGGEST problem is it costs 1/3rd of the DRK's damage resource.

You can legit fire and forget the other 3, you don't need 100% value out of BW, HS, HoC.


You MUST have TBN pop every single use or you lose 460 potency of damage every time the shield doesn't break.



Just increase TBN's cooldown to 25 seconds and remove the MP cost already.

MAYBE then it'll be able to stand up to BW, HS or HoC.



Another idea - Make it so the DRK gets the Dark Arts proc on expiration or shield being absorbed fully.

Honestly reduce the HP shield strength to 15%, bake in the 10% mitigation from Oblation, remove the 3000mp cost, give it a 25 second recast and when the shield breaks or times out gives a heal for 15% of max HP, and give Oblation the same but only works on party members, both share a recast, job done. Can just move Dark Arts to Carve and Spit or something.

[NightHour]

bake in the 10% mitigation from Oblation.

Overall I like your ideas except for the oblation bit.

That goes against the whole point of TBN.

You want it to pop.

Baking in a 10% DR would make the shield harder to break.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Overall I like your ideas except for the oblation bit.

That goes against the whole point of TBN.

You want it to pop.

Baking in a 10% DR would make the shield harder to break.

It is why I suggested the reduced potency of the HP shield and removed the necessity for it to break, making it free mitigation which is what is it's current hang up. Also more I know there is gonna be some that would complain about the animation of Oblation going away, so was more of a compromise tbh.

[NightHour]

Can just move Dark Arts to Carve and Spit or something.

That would ruin uptime on the Darkside buff unless they made Carve and Spit apply a full 60 second duration buff.

[Archwizard]

That would ruin uptime on the Darkside buff unless they made Carve and Spit apply a full 60 second duration buff.

Their listing included removing TBN's cost, so you'd have the same number of Edge/Flood casts regardless of TBN.

[Lyth]

That sounds like an awful deal. I'd rather keep the ability the way it is and press the button at the correct time. If you want comfy, there's PLD for that.

[Visanis]

This is incorrect, DRK in 4.X did more damage than Paladin

Wrong. Simply wrong.

Note that I said 4.0. In 4.0 and 4.1 DRK had the lowest dps by a fair amount while bringing nothing but TBN. If you still want to try to tell me that what I said is incorrect then you may want to go and look at some deltascape logs.

Try to actually understand what someone is saying before running your mouth

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Wrong. Simply wrong.

Note that I said 4.0. In 4.0 and 4.1 DRK had the lowest dps by a fair amount while bringing nothing but TBN. If you still want to try to tell me that what I said is incorrect then you may want to go and look at some deltascape logs.

Try to actually understand what someone is saying before running your mouth

And you fail to understand that 4.0 is essentially PTR where the devs use player feedback to make adjustments, look at SMN in 4.0, hot garbage, got buffed, NIN got nerfed after 4.0 due to players finding an optimal rotation, WAR got an entire rework, so you're talking bs. Also try take into consideration of the entire expansion, instead of nit picking to suit your argument, you essentially only brought a third of a point to argue, especially since Paladin got nerfed twice over the course SB.