*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

[Veloran]

I guess one can say that if they would have created less perfect beings that would even do some really bad things outside of Elpis they might have had been more used to grief. Maybe then they would have not planned that third sacrifice and life would have gone on.

An example for a "non-perfect" creature they need to put down would be the Lycaon, a creature that endlessly tried to kill everything around it for no purpose. They had tried different environments for it, placing it with toughened prey animals that would be harder to hunt, wiping it's memory to see if it was just an individual behavioral issue, but no matter what they did the results were always that it would eventually depopulate whatever region it was in to the point that it would starve to death. As the researchers rightly point out, such a beast simply couldn't be released into the wild because it would completely destabilize whatever ecosystem it was in. It's at that point that they decide they have no choice but to unmake the few specimens they'd made, and store the concept away.

I don't know about you, but with the amount of trouble they went though and the amount of leeway they were willing to give it, it doesn't look like the researchers were overly flippant about it's disposal, and if it hadn't been aggressive to the point of self-destruction they would have been willing to seed it in the wild.

We are shown their reactions though! They nearly broke during the Final Days, understandably, and turned to Zodiark. If they knew the cause was out there, that it was the result of the death of all known life, and that defeating it would require them to face unimaginable despair, they wouldn’t have survived.

Why? The unknown is the most frightening thing of all. Do you really not think that telling them the truth before 99% of the world was destroyed wouldn't have helped their situation at all? One of their own creations going rogue and trying to kill them is a much less terrifying threat than an unknowable force striking at random.

Given she tells us to find her and to “honor the promise made in another age,” I believe it was more than a back up.

I'm just saying the evacuation plan was clearly going ahead before the confrontation plan.

If you wish to hold that view by all means do so. But that’s not the correct view, it’s one of many.

Well sure, and it just so happens to, again, be one that WoL themselves indulges in regularly.

And my point is that that’s illogical and requires way more leaps than than the inverse.

I think your point is incorrect and the notion that he would be needed requires way more logical leaps.

You’re now taking completely different situations with differing context and conflating them. She did not manipulate him.

She chose not to tell him the truth in order to ensure he would work for her cause. In what way is that not manipulation?

Emet has not given up on the plan for millennia. Using the Sources inhabitants to replace the souls in Zodiark directly relates to the earlier plan to do just the same, this seems obvious.

The context of the plan then and the context of the plan now are nothing alike. Just because Emet remained committed to the idea even as the world around it changed utterly, that doesn't mean the morality of it in one situation versus the other is the same.

Erm, Venat did not give the WoL the means to return the scions to life(also they were never actually dead). She gave the WoL the means to call something that had been lost, which was used to summon Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus, and they granted us the means to get the scions back.

Venat had absolutely no way of knowing how you would use the power she bequeathed you, because she was dead at the time. I really fail to see how she could possibly be a hypocrite under those circumstances.

Emet does say "good job with your masterplan and making me the lynchpin here Venat." And also that he was returned to life through the magic but refuses to accept it because it's insulting on her part.

Basically what I got was that the magic she put in the crystal would have allowed WoL to go forward or revive the Scions and this was sort of the final test, except she also wrote in a third option cheat that would allow WoL to do both if they were smart.