*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

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I'm just saying, those are not the same situations. And if we can't take their reactions into account, then frankly we have no baseline for what people in general would think. I also don't think their reactions would matter to begin with.

We are shown their reactions though! They nearly broke during the Final Days, understandably, and turned to Zodiark. If they knew the cause was out there, that it was the result of the death of all known life, and that defeating it would require them to face unimaginable despair, they wouldn’t have survived.

Based on my read that was her final backup plan on the offchance somebody wanted to try and challenge her. And again - It was in Venat's cards, she was literally planning to do it and had been in communication with the Loporrits and Sharlayans about doing it.

Given she tells us to find her and to “honor the promise made in another age,” I believe it was more than a back up.

It's the correct view, one we see reflected in the game, life, and as I said by WoL themselves.

If you wish to hold that view by all means do so. But that’s not the correct view, it’s one of many.

That's precisely my point. As it is, we have absolutely zero evidence that Hermes had any information of worth to add beyond what Venat already knew.

And my point is that that’s illogical and requires way more leaps than than the inverse.

That's exactly what happened though. She didn't want to reveal the truth to him on the offchance that he could be made useful. She has a history of doing this now.

You’re now taking completely different situations with differing context and conflating them. She did not manipulate him.

When I presented the idea, that indeed was all it was. Not up to me if you don't find it of interest.

So long as you recognize it’s based on unknown information, then you’re more than in your rights to suggest it.

Exactly who is being disingenuous here? You know full well the situation at the time of the third sacrifice and the situation now, 12,000 years later, are nothing alike.

Emet has not given up on the plan for millennia. Using the Sources inhabitants to replace the souls in Zodiark directly relates to the earlier plan to do just the same, this seems obvious.

That's something that I urge people to consider as well, but for the exact opposite reason. Endwalker has made the vast majority outside this forum forget the Ascians side of the tale. Nobody was saying Emet-selch was in the right, at least I would hope not, I wasn't around here when Shadowbringers debuted. However, he was liked because his goals were sympathetic in the sense of one losing their home and seeing it torn asunder for a place that seems far more miserable and bleak than the one that came before it. He wasn't necessarily one to be agreed with, but he was understood.

Meanwhile Venat, who has much the same views as Emet-selch but spun 180 degrees, is treated as only doing what she's done out of necessity, the only one who knows the truth, a hero, etc etc. However frustrating it may be for you, being one who dislikes Emet, I can promise you this dissonance of the narrative favoring Venat in absolutely everything is far worse for people who could truly empathize with the Unsundered.

Many people said Emet was right on this forum if my memory serves me correctly. It was a common point of discussion for a while.