*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

[Alleo]

How is Graha’s plan any different? They didn’t want to accept the grief or tragedy either.They wanted to instead turn to altering and messing with time to bring back the dead, willing to sacrifice millions for it.

Grahas world was a horrible place. It was a world that was still not getting better after 200 years. And after they heard that it was to bring us back, many turned to them to help from all around the world. If they had been the complete minority the project would probably not be finished since the others could have easily stopped them. In the end he traveled back into the past on the first and created a new timeline. So the end result has not even killed anyone.

The third sacrifice would have been imo worse because their world was fine again. They did not need to do that. The problem is that you completely assume that its just animals they planned to sacrifice. (And its not like they were overpopulated either..) That all they wanted was bascially a chicken farm and that its. I doubt that this plan would have gotten so many naysayers to call back Elidibus if it was just simple animals...after all the Ascians later planned to sacrifice the whole source including people with complete souls.

Also if everything goes back to the lifestream and that is just totally fine, why be so mad that seemingly the Ascians did not win? Or that we did not create a second timeline? After all these souls all went back to the lifestream anyway and now can be reborn.

All of this.

It's hypocritical that Venat condemns the ancients for their inability to accept loss and suffering but then gives us the ability to bring back the scions.

It was never certain that we could bring them back. If our WoL had given into the despair of losing them all and never keeping the hope alive then they would not have reached the last place, would not have summoned Emet and Hythlo and would not have understood that it would be the Elpis flowers that will hit Meteion hard. Only then were we able to save our friends who also had to keep fighting the whole time to even stay alive at all. (And they also had to have overcome despair to overcome Meteions challenges)

The whole thing about "being used to grief" or death is very weird for me in the context of the ancients because several of their actions suggest they should know about it quite well but then they apparently don't?

Well we have to remember that Elpis is a facility for testing these new creatures. Of course the people working there probably were in much more danger than someone in Amaurot, which was the only city that survived at the end. (And who according to that one side quest also did nothing to help the other countries when they fell) Yet as you said some still send out familiar to do the more dangerous stuff. Honestly I believe that even though there might be death sometimes, its very rare. After all these creatures seemed kind of docile when we visited them together with Hermes (until the wolves of course).

I think the Ancients as a society never faced true despair before the Final Days. No fear of dieing from starvation because they can create meals themselves, no real calamities like we had to suffer through. Some indiviuals do suffer but seeing for example Hermes they cope with it in a bad way.

An example for a "non-perfect" creature they need to put down would be the Lycaon, a creature that endlessly tried to kill everything around it for no purpose. They had tried different environments for it, placing it with toughened prey animals that would be harder to hunt, wiping it's memory to see if it was just an individual behavioral issue, but no matter what they did the results were always that it would eventually depopulate whatever region it was in to the point that it would starve to death.

Yes and all this work was done because Hermes did not want to give up on them. Abd I am fine if they do it to such creatures who are beyond help. Who are just so aggressive that they would be a danger to the whole system if they are released...but at the same time, why was such a creature even thought off? Why do the Ancient so often create such huge, dangerous beings like Behemoth, Minotaurus and so on. Is it some kind of wish to feel a bit "afraid" while not being in danger themselves because these creatures will just be released somehwere far away from them?

Other than this creature the other one that they wanted to delete just needed a bit more work. Even afterwards they say that it would have just been easier to delete the whole race and start over than showing that one indiviudal how to fly...I really wonder if the wolves were so aggressive because even with their memory wipes the action of being killed was branded on their souls (if they had one). Thus they just got more and more hateful over time.