Parsing unfair but okay?

[Caurcas]

If you are gatekeeping content by using something that is against ToS (debatable and something I'm not going to engage in as it is clear in the ToS) then yes, you are exhibiting a negative attribute. Are you going to be there to caddle someone if something were to ever happen when they get banned or be there to apologize that you were in the wrong requiring that they use a third party program to join your static?

No, you'll be on to the next.

Gatekeeping is their right when forming parties outside of Duty Finder.

[AbysmalDuck]

Gatekeeping is their right when forming parties outside of Duty Finder.

Right, and if you read what I wrote, I said this was fine, but doesn't make you some shining beacon of the community.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Right, and if you read what I wrote, I said this was fine, but doesn't make you some shining beacon of the community.

Who said we were trying to be 'shining beacons' of the community? We just want to have fun with people of a similar skill level. Kind of curious where this came from.

[AbysmalDuck]

Out of pure curiosity;

How much Savage+ content have you completed?

How frequently do you interact directly with the raiding community?

Out of pure curiosity:

What does these statistics have to do with my opinion on gatekeeping?

[BluexBird]

If you are gatekeeping content by using something that is against ToS (debatable and something I'm not going to engage in as it is clear in the ToS) then yes, you are exhibiting a negative attribute. Are you going to be there to caddle someone if something were to ever happen when they get banned or be there to apologize that you were in the wrong requiring that they use a third party program to join your static?

No, you'll be on to the next.

OK guys, I'ma teach you how to measure DPS for your static, without using 3rd-party tools. You will need a tank.

Step 1. Make a party with you and a good DPS.
Step 2. Go into the Extreme trial of your choice (preferably lower-level).
Step 3. As tank, hold agro for a few minutes and see how much HP they're able to chip. Do as little damage as possible.
Step 4. Make the same party with your potential new static member.
Step 5. Have them go through the same process. See how much HP they're able to chip, in the same amount of time.
Step 6. Make a decision based on that. If you find that they aren't doing enough damage, you are free to gatekeep them from joining your static to your heart's content. Yay!

What're they gonna do then? Who're they gonna cry to now?

[AbysmalDuck]

OK guys, I'ma teach you how to measure DPS for your static, without using 3rd-party tools. You will need a tank.

Step 1. Make a party with you and a good DPS.
Step 2. Go into the Extreme trial of your choice (preferably lower-level).
Step 3. As tank, hold agro for a few minutes and see how much HP they're able to chip. Do as little damage as possible.
Step 4. Make the same party with your potential new static member.
Step 5. Have them go through the same process. See how much HP they're able to chip, in the same amount of time.
Step 6. Make a decision based on that. If you find that they aren't doing enough damage, you are free to gatekeep them from joining your static to your heart's content. Yay!

What're they gonna do then? Who're they gonna cry to now?

Seems reasonable. All tools within the confines of the game itself. Thanks for the suggestion!

[Alaray]

If you are gatekeeping content by using something that is against ToS (debatable and something I'm not going to engage in as it is clear in the ToS) then yes, you are exhibiting a negative attribute. Are you going to be there to caddle someone if something were to ever happen when they get banned or be there to apologize that you were in the wrong requiring that they use a third party program to join your static?

No, you'll be on to the next.

Pretty much every static will have someone who parses, that's the reality and it's normal. If a static group is particularly interested in knowing their own metrics in order to improve their own gameplay by finding their struggle points, seeing where they're at and being able to compare to others who're where they wish to be... that's completely fine, and their business. If they want to play with like-minded people, that's also fine. You being a part of a group with a mentality that's fundamentally opposed to your own, is stupid and you don't belong there nor will you have fun there. At that point, you find a group that fits your own mindset... you don't demand groups you wouldn't even enjoy change and cater to what you want - that's self-centered and childish behavior.

Either way, parsing is fine. It's technically against ToS just as Discord technically is. The predominant rule with parsing is not to harass, put down, or otherwise insult others for their numbers and to utilize it as an improvement tool. So long as you don't do the latter, you'll be golden.

And, even so -- most statics don't require you, yourself, to run the parsing program. Usually it's just someone there does, or multiple people do. Statics that want your metrics will, in some cases, provide a trial if they think your reasons are solid for not having anything available. Even so, if you're trying to get into a Hardcore group, and likely most Midcore groups, they won't largely want to take people who have nothing up since the initial reaction might be that the person in question is just starting out and that's not the sort of player they're looking for. And that's within their right, to choose who they want to play with.

[AbysmalDuck]

Pretty much every static will have someone who parses, that's the reality and it's normal. If a static group is particularly interested in knowing their own metrics in order to improve their own gameplay by finding their struggle points, seeing where they're at and being able to compare to others who're where they wish to be... that's completely fine, and their business. If they want to play with like-minded people, that's also fine. You being a part of a group with a mentality that's fundamentally opposed to your own, is stupid and you don't belong there nor will you have fun there. At that point, you find a group that fits your own mindset... you don't demand groups you wouldn't even enjoy change and cater to what you want - that's self-centered and childish behavior.

Either way, parsing is fine. It's technically against ToS just as Discord technically is. The predominant rule with parsing is not to harass, put down, or otherwise insult others for their numbers and to utilize it as an improvement tool. So long as you don't do the latter, you'll be golden.

And, even so -- most statics don't require you, yourself, to run the parsing program. Usually it's just someone there does, or multiple people do. Statics that want your metrics will, in some cases, provide a trial if they think your reasons are solid for not having anything available. Even so, if you're trying to get into a Hardcore group, and likely most Midcore groups, they won't largely want to take people who have nothing up since the initial reaction might be that the person in question is just starting out and that's not the sort of player they're looking for. And that's within their right, to choose who they want to play with.

My last comment then back to lurk mode. If people are so obsessed with parsing, why not just create a bot program to play the game for you then? What is the point in having a program tell you how to improve if you aren't doing the improving yourself?

Maybe I'm just someone of the morality that I want to get better on my own. Growing and learning, not be told by a program that I should've casted F4 when I casted F1. If you need Discord to have someone shouting where to move in a raid, do you really deserve the reward at the end? You didn't learn the fight, you followed a marker.

Good luck!

[Alaray]

My last comment then back to lurk mode. If people are so obsessed with parsing, why not just create a bot program to play the game for you then? What is the point in having a program tell you how to improve if you aren't doing the improving yourself?

Maybe I'm just someone of the morality that I want to get better on my own. Growing and learning, not be told by a program that I should've casted F4 when I casted F1. If you need Discord to have someone shouting where to move in a raid, do you really deserve the reward at the end? You didn't learn the fight, you followed a marker.

Good luck!

You need information to know how to improve.

Don't you read books to learn more about a subject? Why not just do the learning, magically.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

My last comment then back to lurk mode. If people are so obsessed with parsing, why not just create a bot program to play the game for you then? What is the point in having a program tell you how to improve if you aren't doing the improving yourself?

I never face-palmed so hard in my life.

Hollllyyyyy.

I'm kind of thankful you're removing yourself from the conversation after saying that - 'cause I'm feeling some second-hand embarrassment.