Parsing unfair but okay?

[Eriane_Elis]

They don't advertise in game, so, the posts talking about PF are a bit out of touch; PF's not where the issue is.

As for statics, well. Yeah, having a record of your performance (whether or not said player runs a parser) is often a requirement and pretty important. But, before putting all the blame on players, it's worth noting SE continually puts very strict DPS checks in the game.

So it's a bit catch-22 - "You can't complete these encounters unless you do good DPS, but you can't know how you're doing unless you turn to that horrible no good illegal third party software or someone else who has it."

I forgot what they are called but there's those training zones where you have to kill the special training dummy within the time limit. I believe a new one will be available next week unless I'm mistaken. If you pass that, you pass the DPS check.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

A lot of people quoted me and instead of responding to each one, it wasn't the specific post I quoted that I'm commenting on. I'm commenting on the totality of responses I've read. If you want to kick people out of your PF, that is fine. You are within your rights as it isn't against ToS. Does it make you a beacon of the community? Absolutely not.

Having… clearly defined boundaries about who you want to play with is a negative attribute now?

[Risvertasashi]

I forgot what they are called but there's those training zones where you have to kill the special training dummy within the time limit. I believe a new one will be available next week unless I'm mistaken. If you pass that, you pass the DPS check.

SSS or "Stone Sea Sky".

Yes, it technically exists, but has many many problems.

Lower DPS jobs will struggle to clear SSS but can do the encounters fine. For example, in ShB, a very good bard player would have trouble clearing SSS while even a bad summoner player could easily clear it. So you might have players on lower DPS jobs thinking they're not good enough if they only have SSS as a touchstone, when in reality they might be in the best 20% or 10% of players of their job. Conversely, a terrible summoner (or these days, a reaper; RIP summoner) might think they're hot stuff because they can easily clear SSS, but in a proper raid they hold a team back.

The other problem is that DPS in a "striking dummy" scenario - no mechanics to worry about, no boss jumps, etc - doesn't reflect the pragmatic reality of raids, especially when there are extra DPS check phases like adds or a "break the shield" mechanics or so on. Aligning to raid buffs also makes a big difference, but obviously isn't reflected when solo.

[BluexBird]

Join parsing parties. They'll measure for you and you'll be able to see your records.

[Rinhi]

Plus, you have the option to put a min ilvl/Duty Completion or Duty Complete to further curate who you want with you.

I mean there are people complaining about those settings, too, gatekeeping and all that :v)

[AmpelioB]

Hello,

I'm finding it hard to find a MC static due to not having parse logs available. Four out of five statics are requiring logs in pf or discord recruitments. I've cleared the previous raid tier but I don't have the logs.

Is this never intended to be enforced and just a blanket policy with no action ever intended to be taken?

Have you tried to report them yourself? if they're on PF and saying and saying they're using third party programs just report them

[AbysmalDuck]

Having… clearly defined boundaries about who you want to play with is a negative attribute now?

If you are gatekeeping content by using something that is against ToS (debatable and something I'm not going to engage in as it is clear in the ToS) then yes, you are exhibiting a negative attribute. Are you going to be there to caddle someone if something were to ever happen when they get banned or be there to apologize that you were in the wrong requiring that they use a third party program to join your static?

No, you'll be on to the next.

[ForteNightshade]

SE and the dev's messaging indicates that parsing is definitely against TOS but they don't ask questions as long as it doesn't impact other player's gaming experience. If statics are openly demanding parses to join, then that to me is going against the spirit of "not letting it impact other player's gaming experiences." While players can make their own parties with their own requirements, that is not a great excuse given that parses are impeding player's enjoyment of FFXIV. If I were SE I would not want the player base split between parsers and non-parsers, especially since console players have trouble parsing, accessing and managing their logs, etc.

If these groups keep their identities anonymous, whatever. But if they're advertising in-game, I would definitely report them. You can parse for yourself, imposing parsing on anyone else is against the TOS. If I was required to do something illegal to join your group, the problem isn't me, it's your group's requirements.

How is it impacting other player's game experience? We can restrict who joins based on their ilvl or insist on only one job. What difference is there between that and their damage? "Impacting their experience" would be parse parties making it impossible to clear content without joining them. That has never been the case. There's maybe 2-3 "barse" parties up at a given time compared to 30+ clear, farm, weekly. Thus a person looking to simply clear has far more options and their experience isn't being impacted. Likewise, they aren't imposing it on anyone else anymore than someone saying, "We're a catgirl only static!"

Would you not prefer them being upfront with their expectations so you could more easily avoid joining if it doesn't suit your preferences? This is precisely why people, instead, try to parse in clear parties.

[LittleImp]

If you are gatekeeping content by using something that is against ToS (debatable and something I'm not going to engage in as it is clear in the ToS) then yes, you are exhibiting a negative attribute. Are you going to be there to caddle someone if something were to ever happen when they get banned or be there to apologize that you were in the wrong requiring that they use a third party program to join your static?

No, you'll be on to the next.

Out of pure curiosity;

How much Savage+ content have you completed?

How frequently do you interact directly with the raiding community?

[xxmiamorecadenza]

If you are gatekeeping content by using something that is against ToS (debatable and something I'm not going to engage in as it is clear in the ToS) then yes, you are exhibiting a negative attribute. Are you going to be there to caddle someone if something were to ever happen when they get banned or be there to apologize that you were in the wrong requiring that they use a third party program to join your static?

No, you'll be on to the next.

Seeing as I utilize Discord and require my static-mates to use Discord to arrange meetings and voice chat - which is 3rd party app and also against ToS - I guess I'd be the bad guy regardless of if I parsed or not.

Also please don't report me for using Discord. :[

Out of pure curiosity;

How much Savage+ content have you completed?

How frequently do you interact directly with the raiding community?

I'm desperate to know the answer to this one as well.