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    Quote Originally Posted by Slatersev View Post
    Midy also has first hand knowledge that being "Unsundered" doesn't really matter much in terms of ability to survive as a society long term. Or ability to be decent. After all, the Omnicrons were a "full race" all those dead stars he passed on the way to Etheriys were from "full" peoples and look what it got them.

    Midy has more reason then anyone to not really buy what the Ascians were selling. He has no reason to believe even if they got what they wanted they wouldn't end up the exact same way as any other dead star. If anything he would probably find them extremely arrogant and naïve to the wider universe.
    I'm failing to see the logic here. Against the omicrons, being sundered would indeed pose a problem, especially if they could fell even unsundered stars, albeit at a great cost in the case of the Dragonstar. The only reason sundered Etheirys might be spared from them is it would not even be regarded as worth the effort. The Omicrons were a full race, but they were also one that had digitised their entire existences (hence, I consider automatic inferences in the case of Omega, a construct's of theirs, to be referencing dynamis, to be purely speculative in nature) and had lost a great deal in the process. How might a 1/14th Source fare against a full blown invasion of their kind? 2/14ths? Etc. Most likely a non-issue with them because they gave up to apathy, but let's say another star did. Having a few heroes shielded by boatloads of plot devices and plot armour does not mean the rest of the aetherically divided Source would be able to handle an invasion from a hostile star at full strength. Were it not for that, the Endsinger would've devoured the souls on the star whole through the Final Days' repeat, so it's not like the sundered (albeit 7 times rejoined) Source itself is insulated from future risk, even if she is now gone.

    And frankly, who cares whether he "buys" it or not? It is their people and star which were aetherically divided 14 times over. Not his. All he knows is that his people suffered an unfortunate fate before another star. He knows nothing of the future of the Source, of whether it too might succumb one day to a similar dead end to all those other stars. In the end, the only reason Hades and the other ancients were blind to the fate of the other stars is because this knowledge was withheld from them, thanks to Hermes as well as Venat and the time travel contrivances. Midgardsormr is none the wiser to it. Bit bizarre to hold it against them if the knowledge was never shared with them. Meanwhile, while some of his children got along with man, we know man's greed led to another getting locked in a brutal conflict with them, so it wasn't inevitable that this star's fate could've ended much the same as those others which turned hostile to the dragons, particularly if Nidhogg gained the upper hand. Again, you can thank the protagonists and all their plot armour for it not going that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Garnetiferous View Post
    While I agree with you on some aspects I don't think saying that Emet is wrong requires saying that the sundering is justified. From the perspective of the sundered like the WoL, who had no choice in the matter, then he's wrong. He wants to destroy their world regardless of whether he has a good reason for it. And from the perspective of the sundered as we see with Ardbert and the WoL, separate pieces of the same soul behave as different people. So, those people are perfectly justified in saying to the Ascians, "even though the event that created us maybe shouldn't have happened, you don't have the right to tell us that we're mistakes and should die for the sake of your people". Even if we take the view that the sundering shouldn't have happened, 12000 years later, the already existing sundered have a right to defend themselves.

    Regarding the sundering and its necessity, I've pretty much maintained a neutral stance on this because I feel like there's several questions that need to be answered before I can make a judgment on Venat's actions. Like, how long from the 2nd sacrifice was it until the sundering? What was Azem doing? What was the life that was to be sacrificed to bring back the ancients? Was it just plants and animals or was it creatures much like modern people? Either way I don't think it was morally correct to do so which even Venat admits herself, but the answers to some of the questions would clear things up for me in determining whether it was truly a necessity or not.
    I'll grant that the "wrong" in this case depends on whose perspective we're viewing this from. I take it you mean the third round of sacrifices. As for the ancients who had the Sundering sprung on them with precious little understanding of what was truly going on behind the scenes...? From their view, it is sufficient that they are reversing a great injustice inflicted upon them. Even if Venat had some kind of moral qualms with the third round of sacrifice (and if it was just creations like those coming out of Elpis I can't say I'd share them), they still might not consider that good enough reason to sunder the star. In the end the entire plot is now mired in a bog of extreme vagueness so unfortunately we're just filling in holes through speculation, which they might address later on - or they might not. Hades tired, set a test for the sundered whereby he'd pass the baton, and honoured his word.
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    Last edited by Lauront; 01-01-2022 at 10:02 AM.
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