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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    You're playing the wrong game. The first technique in every healer's list is an offensive spell. The objective of combat is to eliminate the enemy. Healing is secondary because damage is designed with that aspect in mind, and so it always comes out balanced around healer's power.

    Healer's Job in FFXIV:

    1) Assist in Eliminating the enemy.
    2) Keep people alive by whatever means you have, so that they can eliminate the enemy.

    To just heal is to ignore one half of your job, and it prolongs elimination of the enemy, requiring more healing to happen and also causing the group to come closer to defeat by the enemy.

    You do both in this game because it is designed for you to be able to do both. In solo play you must do both. Do both.
    not to put too fine a point on it, you are a bit of a dull knife.

    OF COURSE a healers first spell is offensive. its an mmo, are healers expected to heal mobs to death? no, the expectation is leveling. so naturally, the very first thing you learn is that. the only way anything else would be feasible is to have groups starting at level 1.

    as for half my job doing whatever I can to keep people off the floor and eliminating the enemy. well, since combat healers, meaning those that dps over any kind of healing, often let people lay on the floor while they get their deeps in, wouldnt you have to say THEY arent doing half their job? or in your opinion, they are fine because they are "eliminating the enemy"? if you healer is too busy dpsing to toss you a rez, is that okay because unlike you they are dpsing and not laying around collecting floor dust?

    its a balance, not one or the other. dps when you can, heal the rest. dps only crowd is promoting an agenda where poor healers kill groups
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    Quote Originally Posted by RinaB View Post
    Theres an accepted ideology in this game of "healers need to dps" and its causing and has caused a lot of problems. 1 in any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role.
    2 even the notion of healers doing their job will get you reported or banned from the forums. Def 2021.
    3 I want to refuse my role as a dps and want party heals and self heals to make up for healer dps.
    4 your parses mean nothing when the group is dead.
    5 why even bother when 90% of you would be more useful as red Mage?
    Stops wasting everyone's time and do your job or quit the role please. And when you rez, heal the person.
    Translation Healbot to English:

    There's an accepted ideology in this game that "healers need to contribute to the team" and it's causing a lot of problems when I'm allergic to making any effort.

    1. In any 8 player group there's one healer doing dps and keeping the group alive and one Medica II spammer. This demoralizes said healer who by comparison is exposed to be doing next to nothing.
    2. People on the forums don't agree with me, therefore they must all be wrong.
    3. I want to twiddle my thumbs and watch Netflix while pressing Medica II every 60 sec or so.
    4. Your parses will mean nothing when I've let the group die and forced you to GCD heal and hardcast Raise because I go headless chicken whenever actual damage happens.
    5. Why even bother playing this second-class-citizen thankless role when 90% of you would have more fun as a Red Mage?

    Stop doing your job and quit the role please so I can continue wasting everyone's time. And when you rez, take the blame because they instantly cancelled transcendence by attacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Translation Healbot to English:

    There's an accepted ideology in this game that "healers need to contribute to the team" and it's causing a lot of problems when I'm allergic to making any effort.

    1. In any 8 player group there's one healer doing dps and keeping the group alive and one Medica II spammer. This demoralizes said healer who by comparison is exposed to be doing next to nothing.
    2. People on the forums don't agree with me, therefore they must all be wrong.
    3. I want to twiddle my thumbs and watch Netflix while pressing Medica II every 60 sec or so.
    4. Your parses will mean nothing when I've let the group die and forced you to GCD heal and hardcast Raise because I go headless chicken whenever actual damage happens.
    5. Why even bother playing this second-class-citizen thankless role when 90% of you would have more fun as a Red Mage?

    Stop doing your job and quit the role please so I can continue wasting everyone's time. And when you rez, take the blame because they instantly cancelled transcendence by attacking.
    Shun Goku Satsu.
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    I'm confused - I think people are thinking the OP is a healer // from what I'm reading, they are a dps who is tired of getting healers who only dps and let dps players or tanks die? So they want healers to actually heal instead of worrying about dps so much it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RinaB View Post
    And when you rez, heal the person.
    As long as they can remain calm for at least 1 GCD, but it feels virtually impossible sometimes when a large majority of players decide that it's the perfect time to give a live performance of the 'moonlight sonata 3rd movement' on their keyboards as they are being raised, thus they end up dropping back on the floor instantaneously.
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    Pardon me but where the hell are you people constantly finding healers that ONLY dps? Like seriously, where?
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    My priority as a healer is to keep the group alive, Of course I DPS when I can even if it's just applying the DOT. Like @Kes13a said healing is a balance, heal when you need to and dps when you need to.

    Every healer has their threshold for when they start healing, I've some healers let the tank get really low before healing and I've seen healers heal when the tank gets down to 80% I personally start healing when the tank is around 40-60%.

    Though I will admit there are times when I just stop doing anything because I'm processing everything and need to re-focus.
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    While there are a small number of healers out there who seem to queue as that role for the short wait time and proceed to prioritize dps and letting people die, the expectation of healers dpsing when no healing is needed has nothing to do with it.

    I've played many MMOs in my days and I couldn't name one where healers aren't expected to dps whenever possible. When everyone's health is full, or close enough, what else are you supposed to do? Stand there idling and wait for the next big raid-wide damage? Or use those damage dealing buttons that are an integral part of your toolkit? FFXIV makes it even easier to weave in dps with its predictible damage patterns.

    If you're looking to idle while everyone else works overtime, stick to trusts, the NPCs won't mind one bit. Otherwise, while healing takes precedence if you're sporting the green icon, DPS is everyone's responsibility. Just stay busy throughout the fight, it's really all there is to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre View Post
    I'm confused - I think people are thinking the OP is a healer // from what I'm reading, they are a dps who is tired of getting healers who only dps and let dps players or tanks die? So they want healers to actually heal instead of worrying about dps so much it seems.
    This person has posted a lot of healer topics before. I don’t know if they are a healer main that wants to only heal, a tank main, a DPS main, or just one of the many trolls who plague the OF these days. It’s increasingly difficult to tell anymore, and “main class” beneath one’s avatar isn’t a decent reflection of what a person primarily plays. But this isn’t their first rodeo when it comes to “controversial” healer topics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre View Post
    I'm confused - I think people are thinking the OP is a healer // from what I'm reading, they are a dps who is tired of getting healers who only dps and let dps players or tanks die? So they want healers to actually heal instead of worrying about dps so much it seems.
    These people are so militant when it comes to dps as healers in this game. They dont understand that the hyperbole and toxic behavior they spout has led to this influx of new healers, who do nothing but dps+oGCD heal at all costs. That they will let people they could easily save die. Because that was how they were told to play and be a "good" healer.

    They arent teaching people that group context matters for healing. That healing and dps performance is directly tied to group performance. A great group will only take the theoretical minimum amount of damage a fight can offer, allowing everything to be covered by oGCD healing so your free to dps. While a bad group will hit the theoretical maximum amount of damage and require far more GCD healing and have far less dps uptime. And that they need to adjust to cover for a group.
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