Healers

[RinaB]

Theres an accepted ideology in this game of "healers need to dps" and its causing and has caused a lot of problems. 1 in any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role.
2 even the notion of healers doing their job will get you reported or banned from the forums. Def 2021.
3 I want to refuse my role as a dps and want party heals and self heals to make up for healer dps.
4 your parses mean nothing when the group is dead.
5 why even bother when 90% of you would be more useful as red Mage?
Stops wasting everyone's time and do your job or quit the role please. And when you rez, heal the person.

[Juun]

There is generally 1 main healer and I generally fullfill that job because I dont trust the other healer to be it. Also you generally don't need to heal much as long as the group avoids mechanics and there is no heal check going on. So doing dps is completely fine and needed during those moments of no damage. Generally the only time to focus heal is during wall to wall pulls or tanks that dont use mitigation cds.

[Penthea]

1 in any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role.

And you're already incorrect.

Different groups play differently. Some do what you said, others have the healers share both the healing and dps load. And some hop between one and the other depending on the design of the encounter.

[Vyrerus]

Theres an accepted ideology in this game of "healers need to dps" and its causing and has caused a lot of problems. 1 in any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role.
2 even the notion of healers doing their job will get you reported or banned from the forums. Def 2021.
3 I want to refuse my role as a dps and want party heals and self heals to make up for healer dps.
4 your parses mean nothing when the group is dead.
5 why even bother when 90% of you would be more useful as red Mage?
Stops wasting everyone's time and do your job or quit the role please. And when you rez, heal the person.

You're playing the wrong game. The first technique in every healer's list is an offensive spell. The objective of combat is to eliminate the enemy. Healing is secondary because damage is designed with that aspect in mind, and so it always comes out balanced around healer's power.

Healer's Job in FFXIV:

1) Assist in Eliminating the enemy.
2) Keep people alive by whatever means you have, so that they can eliminate the enemy.

To just heal is to ignore one half of your job, and it prolongs elimination of the enemy, requiring more healing to happen and also causing the group to come closer to defeat by the enemy.

You do both in this game because it is designed for you to be able to do both. In solo play you must do both. Do both.

[Kes13a]

You're playing the wrong game. The first technique in every healer's list is an offensive spell. The objective of combat is to eliminate the enemy. Healing is secondary because damage is designed with that aspect in mind, and so it always comes out balanced around healer's power.

Healer's Job in FFXIV:

1) Assist in Eliminating the enemy.
2) Keep people alive by whatever means you have, so that they can eliminate the enemy.

To just heal is to ignore one half of your job, and it prolongs elimination of the enemy, requiring more healing to happen and also causing the group to come closer to defeat by the enemy.

You do both in this game because it is designed for you to be able to do both. In solo play you must do both. Do both.

not to put too fine a point on it, you are a bit of a dull knife.

OF COURSE a healers first spell is offensive. its an mmo, are healers expected to heal mobs to death? no, the expectation is leveling. so naturally, the very first thing you learn is that. the only way anything else would be feasible is to have groups starting at level 1.

as for half my job doing whatever I can to keep people off the floor and eliminating the enemy. well, since combat healers, meaning those that dps over any kind of healing, often let people lay on the floor while they get their deeps in, wouldnt you have to say THEY arent doing half their job? or in your opinion, they are fine because they are "eliminating the enemy"? if you healer is too busy dpsing to toss you a rez, is that okay because unlike you they are dpsing and not laying around collecting floor dust?

its a balance, not one or the other. dps when you can, heal the rest. dps only crowd is promoting an agenda where poor healers kill groups

[HyoMinPark]

its a balance, not one or the other. dps when you can, heal the rest. dps only crowd is promoting an agenda where poor healers kill groups

In all the healer discussions I’ve been a part of on these forums, I can say I have never seen anyone advocate for “DPS only and ignore the party” when it comes to being a healer and dealing damage. The bolded part is an irrelevant argument because it isn’t even one made here. It’s condemned even by those advocating for healers to deal damage.

[Endariel]

I deeps because players like op overheal party like no tomorrow even with after the weakest AOE.
Don't worry, i too go into overheal panic mode when my cohealer dies and things go south (2-3 DPS having vuln stacks) but people need to have faith in others.

[RinaB]

You're playing the wrong game. The first technique in every healer's list is an offensive spell. The objective of combat is to eliminate the enemy. Healing is secondary because damage is designed with that aspect in mind, and so it always comes out balanced around healer's power.

Healer's Job in FFXIV:

1) Assist in Eliminating the enemy.
2) Keep people alive by whatever means you have, so that they can eliminate the enemy.

To just heal is to ignore one half of your job, and it prolongs elimination of the enemy, requiring more healing to happen and also causing the group to come closer to defeat by the enemy.

You do both in this game because it is designed for you to be able to do both. In solo play you must do both. Do both.

Tha vast majority do not do "both" and its become a glaringly serious problem. I'm sitting here in an 8 player with 1 tank down and half the dps down and I got a glare spammer and 1 person desperately trying to salvage the group. Explain to me how that is useful to anyone? I quit in shb because of this. Healers in 14 want to do anything but their job and it's gotten worse in ew with increased damage to players. So as a dps I want a full self sustain kit and tanka should have the same. Wanna broil all day? I want self heals all day.

[Quintessa]

Tha vast majority do not do "both" and its become a glaringly serious problem. I'm sitting here in an 8 player with 1 tank down and half the dps down and I got a glare spammer and 1 person desperately trying to salvage the group. Explain to me how that is useful to anyone? I quit in shb because of this. Healers in 14 want to do anything but their job and it's gotten worse in ew with increased damage to players. So as a dps I want a full self sustain kit and tanka should have the same. Wanna broil all day? I want self heals all day.

This here is why I retired as a healer because while I can do both, I don't want to be associated with the kind of healers that are springing up now. I see them gamble with peoples live and yes the glare spam gets really annoying and I'm starting to feel that those are just DPS mains or former DPS mains who got tired of long dps queues but don't really care about the responsibility of healing, just the damage. I generally clash with healers when it comes to the topic of healing. I'm sure this will ruffle a lot of feathers but I must be honest, the damage dealt by healers ain't anything to write home about. Yay you(not you as in you) out damaged the group, I'm not impressed. It just means everyone else did worse than your innate horrible damage.

[ForteNightshade]

This here is why I retired as a healer because while I can do both, I don't want to be associated with the kind of healers that are springing up now. I see them gamble with peoples live and yes the glare spam gets really annoying and I'm starting to feel that those are just DPS mains or former DPS mains who got tired of long dps queues but don't really care about the responsibility of healing, just the damage. I generally clash with healers when it comes to the topic of healing. I'm sure this will ruffle a lot of feathers but I must be honest, the damage dealt by healers ain't anything to write home about. Yay you(not you as in you) out damaged the group, I'm not impressed. It just means everyone else did worse than your innate horrible damage.

Healers contribute roughly 60% of the highest ranked DPS. That is hardly a small amount. In fact, back in Shadowbringers, it was statistically impossible to clear E8S and E12S without significant healer DPS for the first several weeks. Even E11S wouldn't be doable week 1.

Simply put, healers focus so much on DPS nowadays because there's literally nothing else for them to focus on. Outgoing damage is far too low, rendering a good portion of their kits as overkill. Healer mains have been asking for more damage or buffs/debuff management and have been told "no" due to it making things too difficult for casual players. Therefore, all they have is an incredibly dull DPS "rotation". Blame the dev team for this mindset not the players adapting to it.