Healers

[BigHoffie]

People master jobs to be optimal yet healers refuse to do their job

Healers mastering their jobs to be optimal IS dpsing while keep everyone alive. Just because you play with bad players does not mean that healers need to spam heal spells the entire time or you'll throw another hissy fit.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Newp. This is akin to saying a tank's primary job is to DPS and mitigating and holding threat is secondary. The primary role of a healer is to heal. Damage is secondary. I'll interrupt a DPS spell to heal; I don't interrupt heals to DPS.
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You can cast your dps and use an ogcd to save them, the weave time is now built in to every healer to make life even easier for those who couldn't figure out weave timings, if not you then your cohealer can if your cd's are down. Everyone's job is to dps else you will wipe to enrage if there is one. Tank's get to do their job and still have a more interesting dps rotation, I would like the same for healers.

The newbies sages have the right idea in principle but they need to read their tooltips and practice weaving, get that dps out and heal using the myriad tools at your disposal so you don't need to gcd heal at all. I started playing scholar more and it's even easier to keep people topped up with since the fairy is just a superior kardia given it heals all the time not just when you are dpsing.

Only healing is indeed ignoring half your job, you will be the reason your party hits enrage time after time if you fail to dps. Too many healers struggle with something so basic I never understand why they play healer if they are incapable of juggling 2 things at once. The jobs have been made more and more simple and if it is STILL too hard for them it might be worth considering something more simple, such as new summoner or dancer. Regardless, those "pure" healers are nothing but a hinderance that expect other people to carry them through dps checks.

[Rilifane]

Healers mastering their jobs to be optimal IS dpsing while keep everyone alive. Just because you play with bad players does not mean that healers need to spam heal spells the entire time or you'll throw another hissy fit.

Couldn't agree more.
Healing is completely binary: you are either alive or dead. You can't be a little bit dead or somewhat alive. This idea of full time healing is so outdated and it was never accurate to begin with because in every game there was a hard limit to how much damage a party takes. And once that hard limit has been covered with healing, what else to do but help with the only thing that is almost universally useful: dps? Barring very few exceptions when a boss transitions too early from too much dps, dps is always useful and healers in FFXIV are perfectly capable of doing a ton of dps while healing.
Not dpsing once the party is safe is indeed refusing to do their job.
Mastering healers basically means close to 100% dps GCD uptime while healing is almost exclusively taken care of through oGCDs.

[Caurcas]

Why all you people want to change what makes 14 unique? Dps optimization is fun as a healer, and you can even solo heal content and still lay down the pain.

[Xtro99]

This is not the job or role problem, this is the player problem...... its like saying a tank that didnt do any mitigation and only doing damage rotation means the job or tank role is bad, no, that is the player's problem, also, just like you said, healer need to dps, it doesnt mean stop doing healing altogether, do the dps when you are free and healing when someone's hp is low or help mitigate when boss gonna do raid wide damage or tank buster

This pretty much, my primary mission when I'm playing a healer is to keep everyone up and buffed, when everyone is stable I pump as much dps as I possibly can.

[DiaDeem]

Wait what??

Your post seems very poorly written, so I apologize if I misunderstand something, but as a healer main, I'll try to address each point you make.

1.- "Any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role"
I've never seen this happen in a PUG or heard any story like that in 8 years of playing. Not saying it couldn't happen outright, but you're just presenting it as an anecdote that can't be verified. For a static, you'll probably be co-healing with someone you already trust anyway so that won't ever happen.

2.- even the notion of healers doing their job will get you reported or banned from the forums. Def 2021.
I'm struggling to understand what this even means, but I believe you're saying that asking a healer to "do their job" will get you banned in the forums in particular? I'm not aware of any situation like this as of today, but if it was to happen, it seems more like it would be incited by an abrasive attitude that was very well described in depth in this post made not long ago. You can't go around bossing people, it doesn't matter what job they play.

3.- I want to refuse my role as a dps and want party heals and self heals to make up for healer dps
There's already self-supporting/self-healing abilities and.. guess what: They actually help us a lot, so keep using them.

4.- your parses mean nothing when the group is dead.
Any healer concerned enough with a parse will very likely already spent enough time learning to heal and DPS at the same time. Even then, people can make mistakes. That doesn't mean their entire playstyle is wrong.

5.- why even bother when 90% of you would be more useful as red Mage?
The percentage you use here is arbitrary, useless for any kind of serious conversation, and the statement displays a very lackluster understanding of the role if you think you could run current content with two red mages instead of two healers.

6.- Stops wasting everyone's time and do your job or quit the role please. And when you rez, heal the person.
We are doing our job. We have a bunch of healing/shielding/regen abilities, as well as a DoT, a spamable Single Target DPS ability and a few other perks that let us help with damage while keeping everyone alive.

A healer who can't DPS and heal at the same time probably just needs more practice at their job, which is fine. Anyone can learn at their own pace, but this is what separates good healers from great healers.

If you still can't understand this, then I'm not sure this is the right game for you.

tl;dr Watch these videos:
https://youtu.be/olxZUfxk4bo
https://youtu.be/osvUOqeDwD0

[HyoMinPark]

Theres an accepted ideology in this game of "healers need to dps" and its causing and has caused a lot of problems. 1 in any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role.
2 even the notion of healers doing their job will get you reported or banned from the forums. Def 2021.
3 I want to refuse my role as a dps and want party heals and self heals to make up for healer dps.
4 your parses mean nothing when the group is dead.
5 why even bother when 90% of you would be more useful as red Mage?
Stops wasting everyone's time and do your job or quit the role please. And when you rez, heal the person.

The ideology of healer DPS exists because there’s not enough damage in this game to require even 50% healing uptime in the hardest content available. Not even Ultimate fights require a high healing uptime; and, last expansion, healers did more damage than the tanks. So healer DPS isn’t something to scoff at.

It’s also astounding how readily some people accept the notion of healers standing around for more than half of a fight doing absolutely nothing when no other role would be allowed to do this. I’ve seen heal-only healers get mad at tanks back in HW that only used Flash, since, after all—it’s the tank’s job to maintain aggro. Not deal damage. Funny how quickly they got mad when the tank was only doing their most basic role in the party, but expected the group to just allow them (the healer) to press Cure I every 15 seconds no problem.


1. This is false. Main-healer/off-healer died in HW and hasn’t been a thing since. It is 100% possible to have both healers contributing equally to healing and to damage. That said, I’m not going to blow my healing resources when my cohealer immediately negates them and causes me to have a 70% overheal. If we want to discuss anecdotes, it’s been my experience in the 5+ years I’ve been healing in this game that the “I want to ONLY HEAL!” Healers are usually also the healers that can’t even do that.

2. I have no idea what you’re even talking about here.

3. Then don’t be surprised if your cohealer decides to deal more damage than healing. Nothing feels worse when I use regens to top people up after a raidwide, and my cohealer goes “Medica II! Plenary Indulgence + Rapture! Medica II again!” And now my regen is 100% useless. People don’t need to be 100% HP, 100% of the time. And it’s pointless to negate your cohealer’s resources with excessive overheals. Coordinating blind in DF/PF isn’t easy, but if I see regens up on the party, I’m not going to use my stuff to negate them.

4. A good healer can parse well and keep people alive. Bad healers that only DPS and fail to heal are memed on, and rightfully so. Even by raiders who are high percentile healer mains.

5. Maybe because people don’t like RDM, and would rather play as a healer? This point is irrelevant.


Alternatively, the raised person can also time their acceptance of my Raise, and then not press any buttons when they get up so that Rez Immunity can sustain them until my heal on them registers. Too many people immediately drop dead again because they’ll raise before a raidwide goes off and immediately start attacking before I can even get a heal off on them/the party. You have six seconds of Rez Immunity. Use it. Most raidwides won’t cut through the immunity—only some do.


That said, I know that this is bait. But I’m bored and waiting for my files at work to be uploaded. So /shrug.

[Connor]

Has nobody posted the fish and the hook yet? I’d do it myself but I post on mobile and don’t know how.

[Saraide]

Has nobody posted the fish and the hook yet? I’d do it myself but I post on mobile and don’t know how.

Baiting others to do that for you, are we? /s

[Sarevok_Thordin]

To me your job isn't strictly to heal, it's to stop the group dying.

That includes avoiding hitting enrages in high-end content.