Endwalker Scholar

[WaxSw]

So the only skill in SCH's kit that buffs healing actions somehow manages to not interact with SCH's kit because... Reasons?

Removes your fairy an integral part of the kit, gives you aetherflow and buffs the healing, yet the buff only affects to the gce heals and not the heals that can be used with the resource that skill gives and while removing the fairy removes one of the sources of free healing you have left as well as some of your most powerful heals, it only works properly as a dps gain which considering what the devs have been doing for a long time, its not their intention

Another source of mitigation that fills the gap left by Sacred Soil as something you don't have to place is bad because... Reasons, I guess

I didnt say it was bad, but doesnt interact with the kit in any way, its completely independant of any of the core sch mechanics and doesnt feel impactful enough to plan or alter the rotation around it, its just there.

Traits are shitty because they affect GCD healing which you obviously never, ever use because muh DPS. You are clearly already optimizing the first time you step into new content, 'prog' is a myth.

If you're gcd spamming on prog when you may need mp to raise people and dps because dps checks are a thing then Im sorry for your teammates, gcd heals will happen but even in prog they're not common

Everyone knew letting your AST cohealer do all the healing was depth. Just remove all the healing skills from SCH's kit so we can have even more depth, please.

So...just like now but with the depth of trying to only use double weaving gone. Idk what sch are you playing but it if you want to optimize you dont move more than necessary from your free healing sources and dump the rest on the sge/ast if they are your cohealer, its the same with the exception that while previously you had to think a bit on how to weave and which heals now you just weave them while still mashing 111111111 like if this were a clicker game

While you are it, devs, please add a skill that is useless in the vast majority of content - single target encounters - and please, add another DoT, so we can have skills that clearly have an impact on the rotation and interact with everything else.

Yes? Idk but a skill that is useful in like 90% of the content, 2/2 of the current exs seems more gameplay changing than generic gcd buff that could be a hotfix instead of a trait, let alone the dot because Sch has always been dot heavy before Shb and idk, something that I press every 30s seems way more fun than something I press maybe 2 or 3 times in a encounter and depends on the incoming damage.

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Removes your fairy an integral part of the kit, [...]

You are talking about Dissipation, I was talking about Protraction, which you said doesn't interact with any part of SCH's kit.

I didnt say it was bad, but doesnt interact with the kit in any way, its completely independant of any of the core sch mechanics and doesnt feel impactful enough to plan or alter the rotation around it, its just there.

You are objectively wrong and I have already stated why, so no reason to focus on this any further.

If you're gcd spamming on prog when you may need mp to raise people and dps because dps checks are a thing then Im sorry for your teammates, gcd heals will happen but even in prog they're not common

Now you are resorting to an argumentum ad hominem because you are trying to cover your lack of arguments with insults aimed at my skills. You are not even good at it because in your example my teamates are dying, I'm potentially using GCD heals to get them back up as my oGCDs are more than likely on cooldown and somehow it's my teammates that have to feel sorry and not the other way around. Ok.

So...just like now but with the depth of trying to only use double weaving gone. Idk what sch are you playing but it if you want to optimize you dont move more than necessary from your free healing sources and dump the rest on the sge/ast if they are your cohealer, its the same with the exception that while previously you had to think a bit on how to weave and which heals now you just weave them while still mashing 111111111 like if this were a clicker game

Depth: Refresh Biolysis every 30 seconds. If you have a fairy skill, use it and act like you are doing something. If you have Recitation, use it with Indomitability. If not, keep spamming Broil. Very deep, very fun. Cannot contain my enthusiasm.

Yes? Idk but a skill that is useful in like 90% of the content, 2/2 of the current exs seems more gameplay changing than generic gcd buff that could be a hotfix instead of a trait, let alone the dot because Sch has always been dot heavy before Shb and idk, something that I press every 30s seems way more fun than something I press maybe 2 or 3 times in a encounter and depends on the incoming damage.

As much as you really want to believe this, no. Adding Bane and/or Miasma wouldn't have a significant impact (your words) on the rotation. It would be even insulting to rotations to call anything a healer currently has or could have with just 1-2 additions a "rotation". Slightly less boring? I guess. Does it fix anything? Not even close.

[WaxSw]

You are talking about Dissipation, I was talking about Protraction, which you said doesn't interact with any part of SCH's kit.

I didn't talk about protaction in any moment in my first message, I just said the kit as a whole in uncohesive and having a heal buff isnt nearly enough, recitation has far more interesting interactions and even that one doesnt interact with the fairy side and its an outlier

You are objectively wrong and I have already stated why, so no reason to focus on this any further.

No I'm not? Have you even played Sch at all? Expedient is a skill that is just there, doesnt interact with anything else from the kit and you would use it only when damage comes without thought on how to weave or its implications further than that as you keep spamming 1, to give you an example of a skill that to some extent changes the rotation of sch that would be precisely dissipation as you want to maximize the damage gains it gives, makes sch have a semi burst phase with ED weaving and due to the removal of the fairy it makes you think twice about when to use it as it gimps your free healing sources.

Now you are resorting to an argumentum ad hominem because you are trying to cover your lack of arguments with insults aimed at my skills. You are not even good at it because in your example my teamates are dying, I'm potentially using GCD heals to get them back up as my oGCDs are more than likely on cooldown and somehow it's my teammates that have to feel sorry and not the other way around. Ok.

First if you use GCD heals to give hp back as sch...good luck, second if your teammates are dying considering deaths in savage and ultimate is more because failed mechanics and not unavoidable damage as Sch the chances of you having a ST ogcd to use is high, especially now that that fairy gauge is only used on fey union and third if you have had to raise a teammate you've already lost 2400mp, using gcd heals only makes the mp management worse so more reason to not use gcds. I did not assume people dying I said that people may die so more reason to not use more gcd heals than strictly needed when they're alive

Depth: Refresh Biolysis every 30 seconds. If you have a fairy skill, use it and act like you are doing something. If you have Recitation, use it with Indomitability. If not, keep spamming Broil. Very deep, very fun. Cannot contain my enthusiasm.

Yes thats how sch is in EW, previously we also had to double weave to minimize the dps loss of ruin 2 when healing or plan around the refresh of biolysis...which is more than now

As much as you really want to believe this, no. Adding Bane and/or Miasma wouldn't have a significant impact (your words) on the rotation. It would be even insulting to rotations to call anything a healer currently has or could have with just 1-2 additions a "rotation". Slightly less boring? I guess. Does it fix anything? Not even close.

Having an extra dot to keep track off means we spam broil at least 2 times less per minute, which changes the rotation, not much I agree, Sch could have much more than the pitiful trash kit it has right now but you know, even if its only changing 2 gcds per minute still has more impact than any of the new traits or skills this expansion brought

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I didn't talk about protaction in any moment in my first message

Something new that have a significant impact on the rotation would be a good start, not throwing 2 shitty traits that doesnt change it at all (gcd buff + Deplo buff is meaningless if youre optimal cause Sch does barely use any gcd), 2 new actions that doesnt interact with any part of an already messed and uncohesive kit and a bunch of hotfixes that while appreciated only make the job even more boring 1 button spam (and one of them solves a problem that wasnt there in previous expansions to begin with)

The two new actions are Protraction and Expedient, unless SCH got new actions in EW I'm somehow unaware of.

This discussion has no purpose if you blatantly lie or just are unaware of the things you wrote.

[WaxSw]

The two new actions are Protraction and Expedient, unless SCH got new actions in EW I'm somehow unaware of.

This discussion has no purpose if you blatantly lie or just are unaware of the things you wrote.

Protaction its only a heal buff, thats the whole interaction it has with the kit, doesnt affect aetherflow, fairy gauge or the fairy management in any way shape or form, if you think thats enough you do you but I don't
Expedient its a speed buff and damage mitigation, doesnt interact with any other part of the kit its a skill completely independant of any of the core systems of Sch

If you call those interesting interactions in a cohesive kit then I'm sorry you have such a low bar

As I said examples of good interactions, Recitation which works with the GCD and the Aetherflow system, allows for strats like prepull excog, guaranteed deployed critdlo or the use of aetherflow heals without dps cost, these are far more interesting interactions than any of the previous skills have and its not only heal buff by X%